S-10 4x4 LS1 Swap Started
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Staging Lane
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S-10 4x4 LS1 Swap Started Completed the first step to the swap today. Went and picked up the '99 F-body LS1 with 4l60e trans . Getting the harness made up and computer flashed this week. Gonna try to order the headers and oil pan first thing this week. Does anyone have suggestions of where to get either of them for the 4x4 S-10's. One more question, does anyone know if the MAF sensor from a '99 S-10 is compatable with the '99 F-body's. Thanks and I'll be posting pics. and progress soon.
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You will need a new MAF, the V6 one isn't compatible. Best choice would be a Z06 MAF (my opinion) just make sure the people doing the wiring and programming know what you are using.
Not sure on headers for the 4x4, Sanderson makes a set that I know work on the 2wd trucks.
Oil pan... might try Street and Performance, They have a modified one that cuts down on the notching for the front crossmember, but you will still have issues with the front diff I do believe.
Not sure on headers for the 4x4, Sanderson makes a set that I know work on the 2wd trucks.
Oil pan... might try Street and Performance, They have a modified one that cuts down on the notching for the front crossmember, but you will still have issues with the front diff I do believe.
Originally Posted by Wilds
Completed the first step to the swap today. Went and picked up the '99 F-body LS1 with 4l60e trans . Getting the harness made up and computer flashed this week. Gonna try to order the headers and oil pan first thing this week. Does anyone have suggestions of where to get either of them for the 4x4 S-10's. One more question, does anyone know if the MAF sensor from a '99 S-10 is compatable with the '99 F-body's. Thanks and I'll be posting pics. and progress soon.
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I'd talk with Tydriver.....He and the guys from Turbotime are supposed to be working on mounts, oilpan, headers for 4wd S10 LSx swaps. I know the mounts are ready ($100). Don't know how they're doing on the other stuff. Oilpan needs some serious clearancing for the front pumpkin / pass side axle tube.
Good luck finding headers, I haven't seen any (and I've been looking).
Tydriver hasn't started working on his (at least not that I've heard) but he's planning on running a turbo setup anyway, so I don't know that he'll be of any help to you.
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Good luck finding headers, I haven't seen any (and I've been looking).
Tydriver hasn't started working on his (at least not that I've heard) but he's planning on running a turbo setup anyway, so I don't know that he'll be of any help to you.
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I just ordered the oil pan and pickup along with headers and mounts from a place called LS1performanceparts.com. That's the only place I've found to have stuff for the 4x4 LS1 swap. Current Performance wiring out of Florida is working on the harness and computer. Should be about 4 weeks before it all gets in. I'll keep you all posted though.
One question though, does anyone know if you can use the factory F-body AC compressor and PS pump with the corvette accessory brackets and pulleys. Thanks a lot
Chris
One question though, does anyone know if you can use the factory F-body AC compressor and PS pump with the corvette accessory brackets and pulleys. Thanks a lot
Chris
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Good luck with those guys. Let us know how things turn out.
See here: https://ls1tech.com/forums/conversions-swaps/327056-anyone-tried-any-his-these-products.html
I don't know about the A/C & PS pump, hopefully somebody else does.
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See here: https://ls1tech.com/forums/conversions-swaps/327056-anyone-tried-any-his-these-products.html
I don't know about the A/C & PS pump, hopefully somebody else does.
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Yes, I've heard that about them. But in my somewhat desperate time situation with school starting in August I thought I would give them a shot. I noticed that about the pics. as well. Thought that was kinda cheap and funny but oh well. Actually the guy in Florida that is doing my harness and computer is where they stole their wiring pics. from. I've heard about them delaying orders as well for a bunch of LT1 headers. Just yesterday when I ordered my stuff he told me it would take about three weeks to make them up and the shop is closed for the next week for vaction. I thought how conveinant of a time in the middle of summer for a shop closing. Oh well, we'll just have to see. Hopefully he doesn't screw me around on the deal. I'm already kinda skeptical about the headers and oil pan fitting the 4x4 S-10 like they say. I have to take his word for it though. I'll keep you all posted though. If anyone knows about the AC and PS pump please let me know though. Thanks Chris
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Originally Posted by Wilds
One question though, does anyone know if you can use the factory F-body AC compressor and PS pump with the corvette accessory brackets and pulleys. Thanks a lot
Chris
Chris
I've been down this road before. The Corvette accessory drive is what you need, and only the Corvette components (i.e. alt p/s pump, etc) will work, other than the noted minor pieces listed in this thread. https://ls1tech.com/forums/conversions-swaps/265717-helpful-accessory-drive-conversion-gm-part-numbers-oem-parts.html
If you use the Corvette A/C compressor, the frame needs to be notched severely on a 2WD, not sure about the 4WD. I'm in the process of making a bracket for my S-15 to mount a LT1 compressor similar to John B's, only mine uses a Corvette drive system for everything else. The Corvette setup sits about 3/4" closer to the motor than the F-body setup does, plus I needed the compressor to mount higher than his to clear the inner fenderwell. I should have some pics in a couple weeks.
Good luck!
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Well good news I guess. The mounts all came in on Tuesday like promised from LS1 Performance Parts. I asked them last week to see if they could at least ship those out before they left for vacation. That was a relief to see there is some credit behind their word. Now hopefully the rest goes as well. I'll be calling them early next week to see what the outlook is for the oil pan and if there's been any progress on the headers. I'll keep you all posted and get some pics up of the mounts later tonight hopefully. Thanks Chris
Originally Posted by Wilds
One question though, does anyone know if you can use the factory F-body AC compressor and PS pump with the corvette accessory brackets and pulleys. Thanks a lot
Chris
Chris
The factory AC compressor is tight on the frame rails in fact, it contacts.
Shown here :
I ordered & received the S&P setup:
I realize the 94+ frames are different than the 82-93 ones so your clearance maybe different, but the location isnt very swap-able with anything that has frame in that area unless you want to NOTCH the frame.
There are three different depths of the accessories, the trucks sticking out the farthest, then the Fbodys, and then lastly, the C5 accessories. I highly doubt you can swap accessories between them without custom mods.
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So you don't think you can use the F-body motor and just order the C5 accessory brackets, alt., AC Compressor, and PS pump? I'm just not a big fan of the S&P stuff I guess. Also, from what I have found the C5 alt. bracket is the same bracket for the PS pump? Do you know if that is correct? I figured that would allow you the clearance you needed. LS1ZR2 I think said he used the accessory brackets on his without having to notch the frame. I think you might have to have a few other mods but nothing major. I guess we'll just see. I think next weekend I'm gonna take my truck in and have the motor and stuff pulled and get the C5 stuff mounted on that motor and try to mount it and see how it goes then I can work on whatever fudging I need until my headers and pan gets here. Thanks for the pics. and info. I'll let you know what happens.
Originally Posted by Wilds
So you don't think you can use the F-body motor and just order the C5 accessory brackets, alt., AC Compressor, and PS pump? I'm just not a big fan of the S&P stuff I guess. Also, from what I have found the C5 alt. bracket is the same bracket for the PS pump? Do you know if that is correct? I figured that would allow you the clearance you needed. LS1ZR2 I think said he used the accessory brackets on his without having to notch the frame. I think you might have to have a few other mods but nothing major. I guess we'll just see. I think next weekend I'm gonna take my truck in and have the motor and stuff pulled and get the C5 stuff mounted on that motor and try to mount it and see how it goes then I can work on whatever fudging I need until my headers and pan gets here. Thanks for the pics. and info. I'll let you know what happens.
I know for sure you can, you can take ANY Gen3 motor and bolt on any accesory group you want. My apologies, I misunderstood your question, I thought you wanted to mix-N-match accessories from Fbody & C5. (that wont happen)
The bottom picture (in my post above) is actually a 6.0L engine with C5 accessories in place. I have the Alum LS1 and am going to run C5 accessories.
The frame must be different enough to allow for clearance then, I suspected they were both still similar enough but I havent had a chance to actually see a bare 94+ frame in person.
As far as the PS Pump/Alternator bracket, here's what it looks like without the accessories and YES one bracket supports both items:
The PS Pump is alot smaller than the old school stuff and fits behind the pulley you see in the pics above and inside the machined part of the casting in that picture of the bracket. BTW, the GM Part number for the bracket is:
GM Part #12578068
Make sense ? Hopefully, if not lemme know..
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Great pictures!
Do you have a picture of the PS pump?
Do you have a picture of the PS pump?
Originally Posted by Tydriver
I know for sure you can, you can take ANY Gen3 motor and bolt on any accesory group you want. My apologies, I misunderstood your question, I thought you wanted to mix-N-match accessories from Fbody & C5. (that wont happen)
The bottom picture (in my post above) is actually a 6.0L engine with C5 accessories in place. I have the Alum LS1 and am going to run C5 accessories.
The frame must be different enough to allow for clearance then, I suspected they were both still similar enough but I havent had a chance to actually see a bare 94+ frame in person.
As far as the PS Pump/Alternator bracket, here's what it looks like without the accessories and YES one bracket supports both items:
The PS Pump is alot smaller than the old school stuff and fits behind the pulley you see in the pics above and inside the machined part of the casting in that picture of the bracket. BTW, the GM Part number for the bracket is:
GM Part #12578068
Make sense ? Hopefully, if not lemme know..
The bottom picture (in my post above) is actually a 6.0L engine with C5 accessories in place. I have the Alum LS1 and am going to run C5 accessories.
The frame must be different enough to allow for clearance then, I suspected they were both still similar enough but I havent had a chance to actually see a bare 94+ frame in person.
As far as the PS Pump/Alternator bracket, here's what it looks like without the accessories and YES one bracket supports both items:
The PS Pump is alot smaller than the old school stuff and fits behind the pulley you see in the pics above and inside the machined part of the casting in that picture of the bracket. BTW, the GM Part number for the bracket is:
GM Part #12578068
Make sense ? Hopefully, if not lemme know..
Go to TYDRIVERS web site www,turbols6.com there's 3 ty's on there now,my truck is TYPHOON Z06,you can check out the c5 accessories and the s&p ac set up. post some pics of the headers when you get them,i wasn't too impressed with the ones on there web site. THANKS