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Old Jan 31, 2006 | 09:15 AM
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The single wire, that's orange w/black tracer for the "park-nuetral switch"...If this is not wired to a park-nuetral switch, will the engine still start? I will eventually wire in a switch, but just want to hear it start. Thanks, Gar
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Old Jan 31, 2006 | 09:44 AM
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On a stand-alone LS1 computer, I understand where the computer gets it's power...the "all-time hot", 16 gauge orange...and the "battery-keyed source", 10 gauge white...BUT...Where does this computer system get it's ground? Or does'nt it need one? (I am aware of the the engine block to chassis & frame ground, and the battery to block & frame grounds) Thanks again, Gar
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Depends how you have the starter wired in, if you went direct to it it should start. But it is easy enough to jump the switch out anyway, just ground the orng/blk trace wire when you go to start the engine, the computer will think its in park or neutral and enable the starter.
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Old Jan 31, 2006 | 06:32 PM
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Thanks G-Body, good to know...How about my question regarding the computer system needing, or not needing, a ground? Anybody know?
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 05:38 PM
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Normally pin #1 & #40 on both red and blue connectors is PCM ground. I would presume they must be connected for the PCM to do it's job.
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Sorry about not replying, didn`t see the second post, been a crazy week, I had both physiology and immunology exams. Anyway, randyc is right, pins #1 and 40 on both connectors should be grounded, UNLESS its a 1998 computer, 98`s are different, the grounds are red #72, 76 blue #21, 60.
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 07:12 PM
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The single wire, that's orange w/black tracer for the "park-nuetral switch"...If this is not wired to a park-nuetral switch, will the engine still start? I will eventually wire in a switch, but just want to hear it start. Thanks, Gar
Unless GM has changed their ways of doing things, the P/N switch is NOT a nuetral safety switch! The P/N switch just tells the ECM if the car is in Park or Nuetral, it is one of the inputs used to control EGR, idle speed while moving, TCC lockup, etc. It has absolutely nothing to do with starting or cranking. Im waiting for my Helms to get here to wire the 00 LS1 Im installing to verify this, but thats how its worked on every TPI or LT1 Ive ever done. HTHs............... Bill
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bill tell me what your book says. What i gather is that the orange/black to shifter makes a circuit w/ black/white to shifter in P and N. I also gather B/W to shifter goes to ground so that Orange/black has continuity to ground in P or N. Is that what your schematics say?

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Old Feb 20, 2006 | 11:43 AM
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That is correct, the wire is grounded in Park and Neutral. This is just the signal to the computer telling it when the transmission goes in to gear. Nothing to do with starting.
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will that have anything to do w/ harshness shifting from P or N into gear?

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Are we still good to go...?Simply ground the orange with black tracer wire, that's supposed to go to the park/nuetral switch? Or, just let it hang & not bother even grounding it? My computer is a 2001. Thanks, Gar
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Originally Posted by TT_Vert
bill tell me what your book says. What i gather is that the orange/black to shifter makes a circuit w/ black/white to shifter in P and N. I also gather B/W to shifter goes to ground so that Orange/black has continuity to ground in P or N. Is that what your schematics say?

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Thats exactly how a P/N switch works! A lot of the cheaper aftermarket harnesses used to keep the P/N wire grounded constantly just so the SES lite would go out. The switch is used to control several different functions tho but if your not gonna hook it up, I would leave the orange/black wire just unhooked and not grounded. Leaving it grounded while the car is driving in gear will render the EGR inoperative and what lots of people dont realize is that some of the reason EFI cars get such great cruising mileage is that they are programmed to run excessively lean under light cruise and use the EGR to "displace" some of the lean A/F mixture in the cylinders to prevent detonation. This is one of the reasons that I have always used GM harnesses for swaps as a LOT of the aftermarket stuff out there is just plain old junk! JMO. YMMV.............. Bill
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