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Old Oct 18, 2007 | 01:42 PM
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In my 89 c1500 I'm ready to crank up but no spark. The coilpacks are hot but no spark at the plug. scan tool reads no codes, can hear the fuel pump run each time the key is turned on. All grounds have been double checked . The orange [constant voltage] and the Ingition wire[red] is hot with the key on and cranking. Any body got any Ideas? Jim
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Old Oct 18, 2007 | 02:56 PM
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Do you have injector pulse? put a test light on the ground side of the injector and crank.
Also watch cranking rpm and cam hi and low.

I broke one of the grounds on the back of the head....had inj pulse but no spark.
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Old Oct 19, 2007 | 10:54 AM
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no injector pulse no mil no spark. ckecked the grounds again . Still nothing. Jim
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Old Oct 19, 2007 | 06:01 PM
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sounds like you missed a power or ground somewhere, or losing power while cranking , make sure you have 12 volts at the coils & injectors while cranking
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Old Oct 19, 2007 | 07:52 PM
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What harness are you using?
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Old Oct 20, 2007 | 12:56 PM
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I have the factory wiring harness reworked by lt1 wiring in PA. The cranking voltage is 12.4. The fuel pressure is 56psi[Iknow tht does'nt have anything to do with the fire] The pcm was also reprogrammed by the same people at the same time. I have two grounds at the back of the motor one at the front drivers side. I went around the harness agian to ckeck the grounds. I replaced the crankshaft sensor. Still at a loss. Jim
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Old Oct 21, 2007 | 07:47 PM
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lots of lookers ,no helpers? I plead for someones help! Jim
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Old Oct 22, 2007 | 07:33 AM
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Are you sure the MIL works?

Are you seeing RPM jump up on the scan tool during crank? (you are using HP Tuner/EFI Live/etc and not some dumb code reader, right?)
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Old Oct 22, 2007 | 09:27 AM
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nope, just some dumb code reader. Jim
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Old Oct 23, 2007 | 05:58 AM
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Check your INJ1 and INJ2 fuses, or whatever the harness guy put in their place. Each of those two fuses feeds one bank's injectors and coils.

If the fuses are good, whip out your volt meter and check for 12VDC at the injectors...just one injector per side will tell you what you need to know.

Report back with findings.
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Old Oct 23, 2007 | 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by hugger 6933
I have the factory wiring harness reworked by lt1 wiring in PA. The cranking voltage is 12.4. The fuel pressure is 56psi[Iknow tht does'nt have anything to do with the fire] The pcm was also reprogrammed by the same people at the same time. I have two grounds at the back of the motor one at the front drivers side. I went around the harness agian to ckeck the grounds. I replaced the crankshaft sensor. Still at a loss. Jim
There should be three ground wires bult into the harness. If you only have two at the back of the head, that could be the problem. The guy that reworked the harness may have tied two of them together, but if he didn't that may very well be the problem. If all three wires aren't grounded, it will probably not start. I have a spare harness in my garage, at home, and if I can remeber it tonight, I'll take a picture so you will see what I mean about the grounds.
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Old Oct 23, 2007 | 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by LS1MCSS
There should be three ground wires bult into the harness. If you only have two at the back of the head, that could be the problem. The guy that reworked the harness may have tied two of them together, but if he didn't that may very well be the problem. If all three wires aren't grounded, it will probably not start. I have a spare harness in my garage, at home, and if I can remeber it tonight, I'll take a picture so you will see what I mean about the grounds.
Agreed. I know I have 3 grounds on the back of the driver side head (I want to say there is one on the back of the passenger head, but I cant remember). I just went through a similar problem (I was getting spark but no fuel.)
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Old Oct 23, 2007 | 07:11 PM
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I do have battery voltage at the coils and injectors. I do have three grounds. Jim
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Old Oct 23, 2007 | 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by hugger 6933
I do have battery voltage at the coils and injectors. I do have three grounds. Jim
Time to invest in a scantool that can read RPM and injector pulsewidth during cranking.

In the interim, I'd go back and verify connection at the crank position sensor.
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Old Oct 23, 2007 | 07:16 PM
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PS: easy test to see if the PCM is seeing you crank the engine...verify the fuel pump is operating during cranking. Watch your fuel pressure guage during cranking and/or have someone listen to the pump with a mechanic's stethoscope.

You're getting the 2 second prime from the PCM, which is good. Now just test to see if the PCM spins the pump up during cranking.

If not, then you know the PCM isn't seeing the crank turning during starting.
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Old Oct 25, 2007 | 03:11 PM
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The fuel pump is NOT running during the cranking. That means crank sensor or crank sensor curcuit doesn't it? Jim
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It's a good indicator. Check the crank sensor connector and wiring for damage, ensure it's connected tightly.
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Originally Posted by hugger 6933
The fuel pump is NOT running during the cranking. That means crank sensor or crank sensor curcuit doesn't it? Jim
yes.

make sure the crank connector is fully plugged in. its right behind the starter and very easy to miss.

of the last 3 builds i helped with, every one of them missed that until i pointed it out, so dont feel bad if thats it.
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Old Oct 25, 2007 | 03:58 PM
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I have had someone tell that it sounds like a vats problem W ould'nt it start and die if it were? Jim
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Have you gone over your crank sensor yet?
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