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Old Aug 23, 2012 | 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by hookemdevils22
I'm pretty sure LS motors are priority main oiling, ya?

Edit: I was wrong. Only the LSx block is a true priority-main system. Quite interesting.
This is a diagram of the oiling system of an LS1.
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Old Aug 24, 2012 | 04:22 PM
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Block has been tanked and cleaned, bores have been checked and 4.005" will be no problem so my gamble of assuming 4.005" pistons would work ended up ok. Align bore with ARP main studs torque checked out A-ok. The deck however is not flat, not perpindicular to each other, and it appears the heads were removed at some point and the deck was "cleaned" with a 3M Sotchbrite and even that can apparently damage the deck and reduce sealing on these MLS gaskets (which are apparently very sensitive to having a perfect deck surface for good sealing). Machine shop estimates that in the neighborhood of 5-6 thou will need to be removed to make everything perfect, and with 0.051" MLS GM head gaskets, that will bump my compression ratio to somewhere around 9.3:1. A bit higher than I was hoping, but still reasonable for medium boost. Looks like I should be able to pick the block up on Tuesday if all goes well.
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Old Aug 24, 2012 | 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by frojoe
Block has been tanked and cleaned, bores have been checked and 4.005" will be no problem so my gamble of assuming 4.005" pistons would work ended up ok. Align bore with ARP main studs torque checked out A-ok. The deck however is not flat, not perpindicular to each other, and it appears the heads were removed at some point and the deck was "cleaned" with a 3M Sotchbrite and even that can apparently damage the deck and reduce sealing on these MLS gaskets (which are apparently very sensitive to having a perfect deck surface for good sealing). Machine shop estimates that in the neighborhood of 5-6 thou will need to be removed to make everything perfect, and with 0.051" MLS GM head gaskets, that will bump my compression ratio to somewhere around 9.3:1. A bit higher than I was hoping, but still reasonable for medium boost. Looks like I should be able to pick the block up on Tuesday if all goes well.
Did you measure the LS9 gaskets? I bought the same part number and mine measure about .075-.080" thick? My old 2003 LQ4 gaskets (5 layer IIRC) were .055 to .060". That is only partially compressed, however. Your compression might be a little lower with anothwer .030 of thickness.
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Old Aug 24, 2012 | 04:50 PM
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I've read in several places that sell genuine GM stuff that the LS9 gaskets are 0.051" compressed, so I'm leaning towards believing that. I haven't measured them as they sit, no.
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Old Aug 24, 2012 | 05:21 PM
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Your shop is working a lot faster than mine! Did you hone the mains or they just checked out fine after torquing the studs? That's a bummer having to deck it. Did they tell you how far out it was? I have never felt more impatient on my project than I am now, waiting for the block to come back from the machine shop. I'm so eager to start assembly it makes my skin crawl just thinking about it. Do you have the tools to blueprint everything?

Finally got to a computer to see you rock that crank around - wow that thing was done for!
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Old Aug 25, 2012 | 02:16 AM
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The mains checked out fine after torquing the studs. He didn't say how far out it was.. more like "won't be certain how much needs to be removed until we start at the lowest corner on the lowest side and work our way forward, but it should be 3-4 thou, max 5-6 thou".

And yea.. the crank was messed. Super messed. Guess it makes sense where all the oil pressure was disappearing off too
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Old Aug 27, 2012 | 02:31 PM
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I've received a couple questions about my seatbelts and the relocate bracket to put the shoulder point in a more useful location than way up and back on the headliner. Here is a PDF of what I made, it should print out 1-to-1 but if not, has all the dimensions necessary.
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Old Aug 30, 2012 | 08:13 PM
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And so it begins...



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Old Aug 30, 2012 | 08:59 PM
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ahhh... memories. now the fun begins.
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Old Aug 31, 2012 | 02:24 AM
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stock oil filters usually have a bypass built in. They usually bypass on cold start. Make sure and check the CHRA as mentioned earlier. And your current turbo is already too small for a 6.0.....
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Old Aug 31, 2012 | 09:23 AM
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Nothing wrong with running that TC76 for now.
It will start to choke the motor at the higher R's...but it should spool very very fast.

Upgrade to a PTE7675 next year ...more turbine wheel so less restriction.
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Old Aug 31, 2012 | 03:26 PM
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I'm so pissed - my block has been at the shop for a month and a half and still not done. Probably was cleaned and rerusted by now. You are in for a fun labor day weekend. I'll bet you get it assembled before the weekend is out.
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Old Aug 31, 2012 | 06:37 PM
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Hurry up Joe, needs to be running in 1 week
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Old Sep 1, 2012 | 12:57 PM
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Tick Tock......
I'm going riding and will be back late Sunday. I'll be back if you need help for Monday.
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Old Sep 1, 2012 | 08:05 PM
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Got short block assembled today. Timing chain, oil pump+pan, lifters, then heads tomorrow. Maybe even clutch/flywheel and start putting it back in..





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Old Sep 1, 2012 | 11:03 PM
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Awesome! Did you check your bearing clearances?
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Old Sep 2, 2012 | 04:00 AM
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Yes.. mains and rods all checked out as per spec, same with rod fore/aft play.
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Old Sep 2, 2012 | 04:11 PM
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wow just took the last 5 hours and went threw your entire thread from 1 to 50 and all i can say is, that it is an amazing piece of art that you have built.. that is the mona lisa of novas..
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Old Sep 2, 2012 | 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by quickkris2006
wow just took the last 5 hours and went threw your entire thread from 1 to 50 and all i can say is, that it is an amazing piece of art that you have built.. that is the mona lisa of novas..
LOL. Sometimes I get busy and lose track of cool builds like this , TSnows', & Furturusers'. I tend to bug these guys via PM instead. So sorry guys LOL
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Old Sep 2, 2012 | 09:51 PM
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Hah thanks for the compliment quickkris, but I wouldn't go so far as to say mona lisa. Just a lot of fab work to make it function neatly, and look accordingly industrial.

In other news, it's ready to go back in, just awaiting the return of my engine hoist that i lent to a friend.



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