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Old 03-16-2004, 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Buckwheat
I can appreciate the middle class philosophy and Ford and Dodge subscribe to that as well. Lately though, there seems to be a push to garner top honors...the GT and now the ME4-12 (I know it's just a concept). The Dodge SRT-10 pickup is another example. I'm not saying it would be best for GM to get caught up in the frey, but they may not want to take a chance on it paying off big for the other big two with absolutely nothing left to counter with. Middle class drivers will still be able to get an incredible car with the base vette but I think the General is also wanting to have something for the prospective Mercedes, Porshe, and Ford GT budgeted driver.
As a loyal GM driver, I hope your right to an extent that I may be able to afford one soon. On the other hand I want to see Chevy drop a nuke with the new Z06.
All good points. I honestly think GM and it's customers will be perfectly happy and proud to offer a 500hp car at 2900lbs for under 55 grand.....definitely something nuclear about that. And I think there is definitely something honorable about that.....and right up GM's alley. Just listen to the top brass over there....they do care about producing a car that is affordable. They really don't care about one upsmanship with limited production cars. They got the Viper taken care of if what we are assuming here is true. The current ZO6 is a brutally fast car(relatively speaking) right out of the box. If you want to look at it from a strictly business perspective, I am sure GM is perfectly happy with the 8000 ZO6s they sold last year(and the 25000 other vettes for that matter) vs 2000 Vipers. I guess you could say the Viper may have won the battle but GM won the war. But it does go beyond that and that is getting this car to the middle class. If it is what we are assuming(500hp@2900lbs@55 grand), It WILL be world class matched by no other value on this planet.
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buckwheat, its not gonna happen. the corvette will never be a 75k car.
Old 03-17-2004, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by FLYNLO
All good points. I honestly think GM and it's customers will be perfectly happy and proud to offer a 500hp car at 2900lbs for under 55 grand.....definitely something nuclear about that. And I think there is definitely something honorable about that.....and right up GM's alley. Just listen to the top brass over there....they do care about producing a car that is affordable. They really don't care about one upsmanship with limited production cars. They got the Viper taken care of if what we are assuming here is true. The current ZO6 is a brutally fast car(relatively speaking) right out of the box. If you want to look at it from a strictly business perspective, I am sure GM is perfectly happy with the 8000 ZO6s they sold last year(and the 25000 other vettes for that matter) vs 2000 Vipers. I guess you could say the Viper may have won the battle but GM won the war. But it does go beyond that and that is getting this car to the middle class. If it is what we are assuming(500hp@2900lbs@55 grand), It WILL be world class matched by no other value on this planet.
I agree with John on this, I don't think GM has ever intended for the Corvette to be a limited production vehicle that has a premium price. Their goal has always been bang for the buck value, along with quality. I think they have been very succesful with the C5 and will be with the C6. I also believe that they are targeting middle class, although it may be upper middle class, in order to keep sales high. It's simple math, sell a 1000 cars at a $500 profit vs selling 30,000 cars at a $100 profit and you end with $500,000 vs $3,000,000. This is just a simple example, but it shows how less profit and more sales equals more money.
Anyway, if they make a 500 hp Z06, it will embarass the exotic cars like Ferrari, Lamborghini, etc. Because it will hang with or beat them at a fraction of the cost. It is already the lightest v8 car produced, so it will most likely beat them. Then we can laugh at the people who paid 5 to 6 times as much for the same performance. That will make GM very popular among any car enthusiast, which is the ultimate accomplishment.
In fact, I predict it will win sports car of the year when it comes out, due to the above reasons - bang for buck. To accomplish so much for so little is an engineering and production challenge. But I know Gm is up to it. Let's just hope they deliver. After all, it would give the $150,000 Ford GT a run for it's money at one third the price....MUHAHAHAHA!!!
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Originally Posted by Mike Mercury
Mike, I can't get to it without registering first. Lately I've been avoiding sites that make you register just to read posts & articles.

Can you cut-n-paste the info?
Sure, here is the info. It is from C4C5Specialist who is a Certified vette tech and runs the site Corvettemechanic.com.

"HI there,
These LS7 classification has been under validation for a while now. The following are fact, as far as changes for the new design.
First, the reasoning for the changes are as follows.
Adding a second intake valve improves intake air flow, which provides some value, but perhaps more importantly the design relocates the exhaust valve and the spark plug within the combustion chamber. The exhaust valve moves from alongside the intake valve to the other side of the cylinder, so less exhaust heat transfers to the intake port. The resulting cooler intake charge boosts power and efficiency.
Positioning intake and exhaust valves on opposite sides of the combustion chamber leaves space in the center for the spark plug, which improves combustion efficiency. Together, these improvements boost power output by 10-15%.
The three-valve engine has the intake valves in a straight line, operating them with a forked rocker arm off a conventional rocker shaft. The solution is a pair of rocker arms. One mounts on the rocker shaft where the exhaust rocker arm would be on a two-valve engine. Instead of acting on the valve, however, the first rocker pushes on a short, nearly horizontal pushrod that runs across the head to a freestanding stud-mounted rocker arm. A short, nearly horizontal pushrod links the intermediate rocker arm located on the conventional rocker shaft to the stud-mounted rocker that opens the exhaust valve. A forked rocker arm operates both intake valves. This second rocker arm pivots the movement into the right direction for the exhaust valve.
The three-valve heads are about 1 in (25 mm) wider than the two-valve heads, but they maintain the low profile that is an advantage of OHV engines. The new heads will work with the displacement-on-demand (DOD) cylinder-deactivation system that will arrive on the two-valve Generation IV engine.
"The three-valve design adds complexity but uses the type of components with which GM is very familiar, so reliability shouldn't be a problem," said Frederick Rozario, Development Engineer, Advanced Powertrain at GM. "And while the added mass in the valvetrain might seem to be an obstacle to high rpm operation, the Corvette engine will rev to 7000 rpm with a 30% margin of safety. It can go to 8000 rpm safely," he added. A special jig will hold the parts together so the whole valve actuation assembly can be installed as a unit on the head. "A weakness of single camshaft engines is the inability to separate intake-cam timing from exhaust-cam timing for maximum efficiency and minimal emissions. But a cam phaser that adjusts the advance or retard of even a single cam, depending on conditions, is still very valuable,"
"The cam phaser on this engine provides 80% of the benefit of a system with separate intake and exhaust phasers." The phaser mounts under the water pump in the traditional timing chain location, so it does not require any additional space underhood. The water pump is new too, because the higher-output engine increases the demand for cooling. The 6.3-L version of the engine will produce 500 hp(373 kW), for example. So the new pump produces twice the 80 gal/min (300 L/min) of coolant provided by the two-valve engine's water pump. The V8's is a two-phase oil pump, switching between high and low flow as needed to maintain the necessary oil pressure without suffering excessive parasitic losses when lower pressure is sufficient The engines also feature optimized exhaust manifolds with equal flow runners for each cylinder.
The exchange factor between c5 and c6 has been theorized alot. Fact is that the oiling system of these engines was totally redesigned by GM, due to the fact that the block is actually the same that will be going into the 2005 light duty truck lines.
Knock sensors are not mounted in the center valley anymore, they are external. Firing frequencys, internal harmonics and the like are also substantially changed. This would provide for a totally different knock sensor algorithm verses conventional Gen 3 small block."
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Originally Posted by Seifer
buckwheat, its not gonna happen. the corvette will never be a 75k car.
It's already been a 75K car. Remember the ZR-1 from 90 to 95.
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Originally Posted by Jared wants a Z28
Hey... just like what the title says thanks guys!!!!
I guess the difference is 1! LS1+LS1=LS2? LOL

They say the heads are the only parts that will be interchangable.




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