Racing bikes?
#21
A 100 shot on top of a stock C5 Z06 will not walk and or even get close to any of the 03+ 1000cc bikes unless the rider does not what they are doing.
you are talking about a C5 Z06 that makes maybe 360rwhp then add 100 shoot which would put it at 460rwhp.
My ZX10R puts out 160rwhp, weighs 410 wet, 590 with me on it. I run low 10's stock height and wheelbase and trap over 140 in the 1/4 mile. Top speed of my bike and this is actual not what the gauge says is almost 190. My first gear pulls to almost 110 mph alone.
I agree that unless you have a rider on a 600 that knows what they are doing, it is possible to run with and outrun a 600 once over the 110 range. All of the newer 600's are topping out at 165ish from the factory. With most first mods being the owners drop a tooth to get more bottom end it limits them to right at 160 mph. Most riders when they roll race try to roll in 2nd as 1st at 60ish is just going to wheelie for a 600cc bike as it is right in the meat of their powerband and torque band. therefore they tend to start the run in 2nd which puts them under their curve.
I have ran three 600cc bikes. A 95 ZX6E, entry level bike and no where near the current 600 crop. Devestated him. Ran two 05 Zx6R's which are Kawasaki's supersport 600. Pulled the first one from a 60mph roll, but I think the rider was in the wrong gear because I pulled him right off of the bat and he never recovered. Third bike I caught at a little over 100mph and pulled him from there until 135ish.
Find a F-body/Y-body owner who is a sport bike enthusiast as well like myself. I ahve rode for years, raced some 1/4 stuff anf also roadrace my bike as well. GEtting a newbie rider really is hard to say if it would be a ralistic race. Newbie riders commit too many rider errors that easily hand the win to the car in the end.
you are talking about a C5 Z06 that makes maybe 360rwhp then add 100 shoot which would put it at 460rwhp.
My ZX10R puts out 160rwhp, weighs 410 wet, 590 with me on it. I run low 10's stock height and wheelbase and trap over 140 in the 1/4 mile. Top speed of my bike and this is actual not what the gauge says is almost 190. My first gear pulls to almost 110 mph alone.
I agree that unless you have a rider on a 600 that knows what they are doing, it is possible to run with and outrun a 600 once over the 110 range. All of the newer 600's are topping out at 165ish from the factory. With most first mods being the owners drop a tooth to get more bottom end it limits them to right at 160 mph. Most riders when they roll race try to roll in 2nd as 1st at 60ish is just going to wheelie for a 600cc bike as it is right in the meat of their powerband and torque band. therefore they tend to start the run in 2nd which puts them under their curve.
I have ran three 600cc bikes. A 95 ZX6E, entry level bike and no where near the current 600 crop. Devestated him. Ran two 05 Zx6R's which are Kawasaki's supersport 600. Pulled the first one from a 60mph roll, but I think the rider was in the wrong gear because I pulled him right off of the bat and he never recovered. Third bike I caught at a little over 100mph and pulled him from there until 135ish.
Find a F-body/Y-body owner who is a sport bike enthusiast as well like myself. I ahve rode for years, raced some 1/4 stuff anf also roadrace my bike as well. GEtting a newbie rider really is hard to say if it would be a ralistic race. Newbie riders commit too many rider errors that easily hand the win to the car in the end.
#23
To be honest, it really depnds on the rider and what gear they are starting off in on the bike.
Most of the 600's will pull pretty hard to about 120ish, by then they are in 5th gear which will wind out at around 140ish. Then 6th will take them to the redline and or top speed if they stay in it that long. I doubt many riders and or car drivers will pull a race that long. I think 140ish is the top end of most street races.
60ish is a good starting point, puts the bike in a questionable area. Rider either has to start in 1st and chance a wheelie, or 2nd and low in the rpm band and under their power curve for the bike.
Most of the 600's will pull pretty hard to about 120ish, by then they are in 5th gear which will wind out at around 140ish. Then 6th will take them to the redline and or top speed if they stay in it that long. I doubt many riders and or car drivers will pull a race that long. I think 140ish is the top end of most street races.
60ish is a good starting point, puts the bike in a questionable area. Rider either has to start in 1st and chance a wheelie, or 2nd and low in the rpm band and under their power curve for the bike.
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Originally Posted by Sneakyws6
60ish is a good starting point, puts the bike in a questionable area. Rider either has to start in 1st and chance a wheelie, or 2nd and low in the rpm band and under their power curve for the bike.
#25
Not sure how this is related, but here is some entertainment for you guys
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/6...e40046df1a.htm
Iam still running the restrictive Z06 titanium exhaust. By end of this month I'll switch to the Borla Stingers. After that Iam planning to run either a Hayabusa or a GSXR1000
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/6...e40046df1a.htm
Iam still running the restrictive Z06 titanium exhaust. By end of this month I'll switch to the Borla Stingers. After that Iam planning to run either a Hayabusa or a GSXR1000
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Originally Posted by xxxhp
Not sure how this is related, but here is some entertainment for you guys
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/6...e40046df1a.htm
Iam still running the restrictive Z06 titanium exhaust. By end of this month I'll switch to the Borla Stingers. After that Iam planning to run either a Hayabusa or a GSXR1000
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/6...e40046df1a.htm
Iam still running the restrictive Z06 titanium exhaust. By end of this month I'll switch to the Borla Stingers. After that Iam planning to run either a Hayabusa or a GSXR1000
#27
Originally Posted by xxxhp
Not sure how this is related, but here is some entertainment for you guys
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/6...e40046df1a.htm
Iam still running the restrictive Z06 titanium exhaust. By end of this month I'll switch to the Borla Stingers. After that Iam planning to run either a Hayabusa or a GSXR1000
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/6...e40046df1a.htm
Iam still running the restrictive Z06 titanium exhaust. By end of this month I'll switch to the Borla Stingers. After that Iam planning to run either a Hayabusa or a GSXR1000
looks slow
#28
600's Are Hard To Launch.if Your Car Hooks You Should Have No Problem.but With A Good Rider Stock They Run Mid 10s.but The 1000s You Cant Beat.they Run High 9's Stock. A Stock 600 Tops Out At 162mph So You Take Them Top End.the 1000s 177-182 Mph Top End Stock.
#30
I dont see how people think a 600 is hard to launch. I launch at 8000 rpms and cut 1.8's at the track when I was on my 2003 ZX6R.
Actually a liter bike is alot harder to launch. I can cut a 1.9 60ft on my ZX10R, but right about the 60ft mark it does nothing but wheelies, hit second pulls the wheel up again.
Actually a liter bike is alot harder to launch. I can cut a 1.9 60ft on my ZX10R, but right about the 60ft mark it does nothing but wheelies, hit second pulls the wheel up again.
#31
Originally Posted by Sneakyws6
I dont see how people think a 600 is hard to launch. I launch at 8000 rpms and cut 1.8's at the track when I was on my 2003 ZX6R.
Actually a liter bike is alot harder to launch. I can cut a 1.9 60ft on my ZX10R, but right about the 60ft mark it does nothing but wheelies, hit second pulls the wheel up again.
Actually a liter bike is alot harder to launch. I can cut a 1.9 60ft on my ZX10R, but right about the 60ft mark it does nothing but wheelies, hit second pulls the wheel up again.
Try that with a 1000 and the wheel is in the air in the lower gears. Same with the Busa. The 600 don't wheelie that easy off the throttle wear as the sheer power of 1000 sports bikes and bigger brings the wheel up straight off the throttle. For example put an R1 in second gear clutch fully engaged 30mph whack the throttle open and up comes the front wheel, it may even spit you off the back!
It can be hard racing 600's with a 1000 as things can be pretty even upto about 120mph until the bigger bike pulls away. That's because the 600 gets away so much easier!
As for racing cars 60mph is a bad mph to be racing fast cars at! Bikes are best a from 0mph that's why they have a 0-60mph of less than 3 seconds compared to my stock Vettes 5 seconds! I would prolly hang pretty well with a 600 from a 60mph roll especially if he was in the wrong gear!
#32
On my 05 GSXR 600 I pull pretty hard if I'm in my powerband, it's almost an instant 40-110mph. However, a 600 stops pulling after 110 (at least for me) and tops out about 165mph. Thats all you need to know. If you can have enough power for any pull after 110 you'll 'chase' down any bike. If you wanna hang with them on a roll it's gonna be %1000000 based on the rider's ability. That's all.
And I'm hoping to upgrade to a 750 in the near future, just for you crazy Z06 drivers!
And I'm hoping to upgrade to a 750 in the near future, just for you crazy Z06 drivers!
#33
Originally Posted by BanditTransAM
On my 05 GSXR 600 I pull pretty hard if I'm in my powerband, it's almost an instant 40-110mph. However, a 600 stops pulling after 110 (at least for me) and tops out about 165mph. Thats all you need to know. If you can have enough power for any pull after 110 you'll 'chase' down any bike. If you wanna hang with them on a roll it's gonna be %1000000 based on the rider's ability. That's all.
And I'm hoping to upgrade to a 750 in the near future, just for you crazy Z06 drivers!
And I'm hoping to upgrade to a 750 in the near future, just for you crazy Z06 drivers!
Shoulda just bought a 1000cc+ bike in the first place.
On second thought maybe the hospital bills and casket payment would be a little high...
Father spent over $50k with insurance on medical bills from motorcycle accident 2 years ago. The bike didn't kill him but my mother seriously wanted to.
Not out of worry either with all that cash spent on the bike and medical she could have bought a $80k car when you add it all up.
#34
Z O Zick the video that u showed on u beating a 600, it looks like the rider didnt know how to shift, it looks like he holded the clutch all the way down before he shifted, I myself drive 03 Honda CBR RR 600 and i do the 1/8 mile 7.2 completely stock at 102 mph so its kind of hard to believe for yall beating 600's like that easy.
#35
Bah any good rider doesn't even use the clutch to shift.....my biggest problem in a race is not properly downshifting. A 600 makes it's power at NO LESS than 7kRPM. Even that's a bit low for some bikes I'm sure. And as for buying a Liter Bike. Well I'm still a novice rdier, I'll admit it. I started on a geared drag bike and then bought this latest GSXR 600. Buying another bike will most likely not happen if I buy this Vette I'm looking at heh . Even tho I am eyeing the new 2007 Ninja ZX-6R, that's one bad bike.
#36
600's and most 750's are much harder to launch than the 1000/1100's....main reason is they make no power below 7k so you have to keep the revs above that or it falls on its face and the other reason is they are wheelie prone so you cant just dump it at 8k and hope for the best....
the bigger bikes have a lot more tourque down low so you dont have to rev the crap out of it to make power,,,,,you can leave at a lot lower rpm and just slide the clutch out a little and let the big motor do its thing, while the smaller bikes you have to slip the clutch for almost all of 1st gear while keeping the revs up and not flipping over backwards........
I have thousands of runs at the drag strip on bikes and can cut low 1.7 sixty foot times on early 90 600's and 750 bikes and mid 1.6's on my old gsxr1100, this is all with no tiedowns or extended swingarms.....I also use to go through 2-4 sets of clutches a year....
Im getting better with with my vette and it will just take a bit more track runs on it....when i go to race a bike i just launch easy with the car and then get the pedal to the floor...this will beat 8 out of 10 bikes off the line since it really isnt easy to launch a bike hard from a standing stop and unless the bike rider is use to it he will most likely either wheelie or bog the engine.....
the bigger bikes have a lot more tourque down low so you dont have to rev the crap out of it to make power,,,,,you can leave at a lot lower rpm and just slide the clutch out a little and let the big motor do its thing, while the smaller bikes you have to slip the clutch for almost all of 1st gear while keeping the revs up and not flipping over backwards........
I have thousands of runs at the drag strip on bikes and can cut low 1.7 sixty foot times on early 90 600's and 750 bikes and mid 1.6's on my old gsxr1100, this is all with no tiedowns or extended swingarms.....I also use to go through 2-4 sets of clutches a year....
Im getting better with with my vette and it will just take a bit more track runs on it....when i go to race a bike i just launch easy with the car and then get the pedal to the floor...this will beat 8 out of 10 bikes off the line since it really isnt easy to launch a bike hard from a standing stop and unless the bike rider is use to it he will most likely either wheelie or bog the engine.....
#37
Originally Posted by Candyredz28
Z O Zick the video that u showed on u beating a 600, it looks like the rider didnt know how to shift, it looks like he holded the clutch all the way down before he shifted, I myself drive 03 Honda CBR RR 600 and i do the 1/8 mile 7.2 completely stock at 102 mph so its kind of hard to believe for yall beating 600's like that easy.