Corvette Z06 Cam ???
Originally Posted by ~JOSHUA
I've had a 224 series cam, AND a 236 series cam in my personal cars.... along with plenty more..
You're head's in your azz if you think a 239+ duration cam is going to be the clear choice for all people.
There's a hell of a lot more involved to make it drivable than "GOOD TUNING" unless you're a mullet mechanic. 
What would John Lingenfelter say when building "top-shelf" daily driver Corvettes for his customers? What are the typical cam specs he uses?
I'm sure Lingenfelter says, "It's really up to you.. If you want a raspier type cam, then go for it. If you want a ***** cam, then do a 224 cam." 
You're head's in your azz if you think a 239+ duration cam is going to be the clear choice for all people.
There's a hell of a lot more involved to make it drivable than "GOOD TUNING" unless you're a mullet mechanic. What would John Lingenfelter say when building "top-shelf" daily driver Corvettes for his customers? What are the typical cam specs he uses?
I'm sure Lingenfelter says, "It's really up to you.. If you want a raspier type cam, then go for it. If you want a ***** cam, then do a 224 cam."
umm, id really like to hear your clarification on this, what other then tuning is needed to make a 239+cam liveable?
I do agree that they are not the clear cut choice for everyone, but if you think that properly tuned a 239 cam is not driveable then either A. Youve never ridden in one or B. Your tuner stinks.
I need to make a video of my MS3 at idle, properly tuned they run very very good.
Originally Posted by Eurospec2
but if you think that properly tuned a 239 cam is not driveable then either A. Youve never ridden in one or B. Your tuner stinks.
I never said it wasn't drivable, would I put (another one) in my car? NO.
I've been there, done that.... I'm finished with this bickering....
Originally Posted by ~JOSHUA
I've driven (and owned/built/fabricated) a hell of a lot more than you.
I never said it wasn't drivable, would I put (another one) in my car? NO.
I've been there, done that.... I'm finished with this bickering....
I never said it wasn't drivable, would I put (another one) in my car? NO.
I've been there, done that.... I'm finished with this bickering....
Fine you didnt like your big cam, i understand, but for the rest of us whos cars are tuned properly and parts are picked with some knowledge other then internet surfing, they seem to work out just fine
Oh and you still didnt answer my question, What other then tuning is required to make a 239+ cam Liveable, please enlighten us!
Originally Posted by Eurospec2
i love it when people make statements like the one above when they have 0 knowledge of what they are talking about, IE how do you know what ive done?
Fine you didnt like your big cam, i understand, but for the rest of us whos cars are tuned properly and parts are picked with some knowledge other then internet surfing, they seem to work out just fine
Oh and you still didnt answer my question, What other then tuning is required to make a 239+ cam Liveable, please enlighten us!
Fine you didnt like your big cam, i understand, but for the rest of us whos cars are tuned properly and parts are picked with some knowledge other then internet surfing, they seem to work out just fine
Oh and you still didnt answer my question, What other then tuning is required to make a 239+ cam Liveable, please enlighten us!
Pm sent....
Originally Posted by Eurospec2
umm, your wrong. you cant make the same power with smaller cams, otherwise NOBODY would by the MS3 and bigger.
If tuned properly the MS3 is very liveable, and you do not NEED gears for it, i highly reccomend it
If tuned properly the MS3 is very liveable, and you do not NEED gears for it, i highly reccomend it
Everyone needs to quit looking at peak number and look at the curve instead.
Originally Posted by Sigforty
A F14 from Futral put down 423 rwhp 408 rwtq in my car and the high lift in an identical car put down 434 rwhp 416 rwtq.
Do you have both graphs???? Quick looking at peak numbers and look at the curve
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Originally Posted by 00TurboT/A
Sorry I think not. You need to take those MS3 cams and throw them in the damn garbage. I have a cam thats 232/236 and made more power than a MS3 cam only car I did. I work on them everyday. Yeah a MS3 peaks at 430RWHP at 5600RPMs but it really don't mattter because its making 350 all the way to 4800. So the smaller cam would be gone by then and making better mid range with LOTS more drivability.
Everyone needs to quit looking at peak number and look at the curve instead.
Everyone needs to quit looking at peak number and look at the curve instead.
Post what you just typed in advanced engine tech and watch your theory get ripped apart.
Originally Posted by ~JOSHUA
I'm sure you know all about the advanced engine tech section with your sub-100 posts. 
Bigger is always better right? Mullet tech
Bigger is always better right? Mullet tech
Of course bigger is not always better, absolutely not. Each cam needs to be specced to the motor, car and the drivers wants/needs.
But what the above poster is saying is you can make the same amount of power with a baby cam as you can a bigger one, is completely untrue and you must know this.
I will agree that smaller cams can provide a better curve with lower peak numbers, which for some is great, and they work good on the street. Big cams IMO can be tuned just fine for the street if tuned properly but show their prowess at the track. which is important to some and not to others hence the reason companys sell many different types of cams.
Last edited by Eurospec2; Jul 23, 2007 at 02:39 PM.
And in case you dont belive me, i present the fastest "Cam only" list, there arent any baby cams on that list.
Smokin01ta ---- 10.219@132.29 (1.38), 01 TA, M6, Spec4, 4.56, TRex, -1100, 3010, 3/06
LS1Joe----------10.232@132.04 (1.39), 02z28, M6, Spec4, 4.71, 250, -1100, 3150, 03/06
01-z------------10.295@128.48 (1.38), 01 z, Th400, 5500, 4.57, G5X4, -110,2880, 4/05
Magnus -------- 10.295@128.48 (1.36), 97brd, T350, 5500, 4.10,G5X4, +200, 2820, 4/05
Dragaholic-------10.340@127.46 (1.36), 00 SS, 350, 5500, 4.56, TRex, -700, 2850, 11/05
SSmokedLS1 ----10.48@130.29 (1.45), 01 TA, M6, Spec4, 4.56, TRex, 800, 3035, 3/07
Trevor @ TSP ---10.510@125.80 (1.43), 98 Z, 4l60e, 4500, 4.56, MS3, -1000, 3175, 2/05
DMcRacer-------10.738@125.06 (1.46), 02 SS,4l60E, 4600, 3.42, AMS, -1080, 3375, 1/05
Jason99ta------ 10.783@128.27 (1.56), 99 TA, M6, RAM, 4.56, TRex, +1300, 3253, 06/04
PewterZ28------10.857@123.53 (1.46), 02 Z, TH350, 4900, 4.10, G5X4, +46, 3310, 10/06
Coach02A3Z/28-10.917@122.97 (1.47), 02 Z, TH350, TK, 5.13, TRex, +2751, 3200, 06/04
Bain------------10.988@121.30 (1.50), 00SS, 4L60E, 4800, 4.10, TRex, 474, 3240, 10/06
MikeHoffpauir--- 10.989@121.44 (1.45), 00 Z, 4l60E, 4400, 4.10, F4, -1700, 3300, 12/02
Demonicbird00---10.998@126.93 (1.49), 00 TA, M6, Lingen, 4.10, 250,-1082, 3250, 4/07
camscam02 ----11.124@121.48 (1.48), 02SS, 4L60E, 4400, 4.10, MS3, +337, 3375, 6/07
Smokin01ta ---- 10.219@132.29 (1.38), 01 TA, M6, Spec4, 4.56, TRex, -1100, 3010, 3/06
LS1Joe----------10.232@132.04 (1.39), 02z28, M6, Spec4, 4.71, 250, -1100, 3150, 03/06
01-z------------10.295@128.48 (1.38), 01 z, Th400, 5500, 4.57, G5X4, -110,2880, 4/05
Magnus -------- 10.295@128.48 (1.36), 97brd, T350, 5500, 4.10,G5X4, +200, 2820, 4/05
Dragaholic-------10.340@127.46 (1.36), 00 SS, 350, 5500, 4.56, TRex, -700, 2850, 11/05
SSmokedLS1 ----10.48@130.29 (1.45), 01 TA, M6, Spec4, 4.56, TRex, 800, 3035, 3/07
Trevor @ TSP ---10.510@125.80 (1.43), 98 Z, 4l60e, 4500, 4.56, MS3, -1000, 3175, 2/05
DMcRacer-------10.738@125.06 (1.46), 02 SS,4l60E, 4600, 3.42, AMS, -1080, 3375, 1/05
Jason99ta------ 10.783@128.27 (1.56), 99 TA, M6, RAM, 4.56, TRex, +1300, 3253, 06/04
PewterZ28------10.857@123.53 (1.46), 02 Z, TH350, 4900, 4.10, G5X4, +46, 3310, 10/06
Coach02A3Z/28-10.917@122.97 (1.47), 02 Z, TH350, TK, 5.13, TRex, +2751, 3200, 06/04
Bain------------10.988@121.30 (1.50), 00SS, 4L60E, 4800, 4.10, TRex, 474, 3240, 10/06
MikeHoffpauir--- 10.989@121.44 (1.45), 00 Z, 4l60E, 4400, 4.10, F4, -1700, 3300, 12/02
Demonicbird00---10.998@126.93 (1.49), 00 TA, M6, Lingen, 4.10, 250,-1082, 3250, 4/07
camscam02 ----11.124@121.48 (1.48), 02SS, 4L60E, 4400, 4.10, MS3, +337, 3375, 6/07
Lets keep this civil. Differing opinions are fine. If someone makes a statement and someone else questions it, you should explain it or things will get out of hand here.
For example. If you statement 'baby' cams can make as much power as a big cam, explain why. If you say it is Mullet tech tuning, explain how it is so.
Keith
For example. If you statement 'baby' cams can make as much power as a big cam, explain why. If you say it is Mullet tech tuning, explain how it is so.
Keith
Straight line- wide open ***** out performance when you keep it revved to high heaven.... get a big ol' pig cam.
* but you can have too much stick for the rest of the air pump (engine) to flow, therefore you take a step back compared to the sweetspot of a smaller cam....
The topic of this thread (which the original poster has long since vanished) was about Zo6 cams. Considering all things, would you put a huge cam in a otherwise stock (or with minor boltons, maybe headers) Z and say it's good?
Hell no, on a stock 243 casting head without full bolt-ons/exhaust I'd stay in the high 220, low 230 range and have the best of both worlds.
Saying that you should go straight for a huge cam in a Zo6 is not the best route IMO-
* but you can have too much stick for the rest of the air pump (engine) to flow, therefore you take a step back compared to the sweetspot of a smaller cam....
The topic of this thread (which the original poster has long since vanished) was about Zo6 cams. Considering all things, would you put a huge cam in a otherwise stock (or with minor boltons, maybe headers) Z and say it's good?
Hell no, on a stock 243 casting head without full bolt-ons/exhaust I'd stay in the high 220, low 230 range and have the best of both worlds.
Saying that you should go straight for a huge cam in a Zo6 is not the best route IMO-
Last edited by ~JOSHUA; Jul 24, 2007 at 10:32 AM. Reason: SPELLING.
For a daily, no big cams for me. I'll take a smaller one, with a good sound and good torque numbers. Cam for torque, then hp. I've had a big one. (250*) My next one will be around 228-230 with good flowing heads.
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Im thinking about different cam options when I get my next car, c5 z06. Smaller cams can run in the 1/4 fairly fast as welll. But It depends on what the car is used for and you need too know what to expect. With a larger cam'd car the power is going to hit hard as you rev in the higher rpms but with a smaller cam mid 22x-230 it can make more in the lower rpm and in some cases a wider power band. But when drag racing you are reving the car high at all times so for all the drag racers I would say go for a big cam.. but with a big cam you have to watch valve springs constantly with a ms4 cam, a t rex cam. If you track race the car you might want to get a cam in the 224-230 range since you will have a wider power band and less time lost down shifting all the time, unless you have gears to compensate for the lack of low to mid range in a big cammed car. I personally wouldnt mind a ms3 cam with the z06 gearing on the street in my own car, but I would most likely prefer a cam in the 230-238 range on a 112 lsa with no more than .610 lift. I have been reading many reviews of cams over the last year and a half that just my opinion. good luck with your choice.
Last edited by ls1amit; Jul 24, 2007 at 06:35 AM.
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Originally Posted by Eurospec2
umm, id really like to hear your clarification on this, what other then tuning is needed to make a 239+cam liveable?
I do agree that they are not the clear cut choice for everyone, but if you think that properly tuned a 239 cam is not driveable then either A. Youve never ridden in one or B. Your tuner stinks.
I need to make a video of my MS3 at idle, properly tuned they run very very good.
I do agree that they are not the clear cut choice for everyone, but if you think that properly tuned a 239 cam is not driveable then either A. Youve never ridden in one or B. Your tuner stinks.
I need to make a video of my MS3 at idle, properly tuned they run very very good.
Originally Posted by Eurospec2
And in case you dont belive me, i present the fastest "Cam only" list, there arent any baby cams on that list.
Smokin01ta ---- 10.219@132.29 (1.38), 01 TA, M6, Spec4, 4.56, TRex, -1100, 3010, 3/06
LS1Joe----------10.232@132.04 (1.39), 02z28, M6, Spec4, 4.71, 250, -1100, 3150, 03/06
01-z------------10.295@128.48 (1.38), 01 z, Th400, 5500, 4.57, G5X4, -110,2880, 4/05
Magnus -------- 10.295@128.48 (1.36), 97brd, T350, 5500, 4.10,G5X4, +200, 2820, 4/05
Dragaholic-------10.340@127.46 (1.36), 00 SS, 350, 5500, 4.56, TRex, -700, 2850, 11/05
SSmokedLS1 ----10.48@130.29 (1.45), 01 TA, M6, Spec4, 4.56, TRex, 800, 3035, 3/07
Trevor @ TSP ---10.510@125.80 (1.43), 98 Z, 4l60e, 4500, 4.56, MS3, -1000, 3175, 2/05
DMcRacer-------10.738@125.06 (1.46), 02 SS,4l60E, 4600, 3.42, AMS, -1080, 3375, 1/05
Jason99ta------ 10.783@128.27 (1.56), 99 TA, M6, RAM, 4.56, TRex, +1300, 3253, 06/04
PewterZ28------10.857@123.53 (1.46), 02 Z, TH350, 4900, 4.10, G5X4, +46, 3310, 10/06
Coach02A3Z/28-10.917@122.97 (1.47), 02 Z, TH350, TK, 5.13, TRex, +2751, 3200, 06/04
Bain------------10.988@121.30 (1.50), 00SS, 4L60E, 4800, 4.10, TRex, 474, 3240, 10/06
MikeHoffpauir--- 10.989@121.44 (1.45), 00 Z, 4l60E, 4400, 4.10, F4, -1700, 3300, 12/02
Demonicbird00---10.998@126.93 (1.49), 00 TA, M6, Lingen, 4.10, 250,-1082, 3250, 4/07
camscam02 ----11.124@121.48 (1.48), 02SS, 4L60E, 4400, 4.10, MS3, +337, 3375, 6/07
Smokin01ta ---- 10.219@132.29 (1.38), 01 TA, M6, Spec4, 4.56, TRex, -1100, 3010, 3/06
LS1Joe----------10.232@132.04 (1.39), 02z28, M6, Spec4, 4.71, 250, -1100, 3150, 03/06
01-z------------10.295@128.48 (1.38), 01 z, Th400, 5500, 4.57, G5X4, -110,2880, 4/05
Magnus -------- 10.295@128.48 (1.36), 97brd, T350, 5500, 4.10,G5X4, +200, 2820, 4/05
Dragaholic-------10.340@127.46 (1.36), 00 SS, 350, 5500, 4.56, TRex, -700, 2850, 11/05
SSmokedLS1 ----10.48@130.29 (1.45), 01 TA, M6, Spec4, 4.56, TRex, 800, 3035, 3/07
Trevor @ TSP ---10.510@125.80 (1.43), 98 Z, 4l60e, 4500, 4.56, MS3, -1000, 3175, 2/05
DMcRacer-------10.738@125.06 (1.46), 02 SS,4l60E, 4600, 3.42, AMS, -1080, 3375, 1/05
Jason99ta------ 10.783@128.27 (1.56), 99 TA, M6, RAM, 4.56, TRex, +1300, 3253, 06/04
PewterZ28------10.857@123.53 (1.46), 02 Z, TH350, 4900, 4.10, G5X4, +46, 3310, 10/06
Coach02A3Z/28-10.917@122.97 (1.47), 02 Z, TH350, TK, 5.13, TRex, +2751, 3200, 06/04
Bain------------10.988@121.30 (1.50), 00SS, 4L60E, 4800, 4.10, TRex, 474, 3240, 10/06
MikeHoffpauir--- 10.989@121.44 (1.45), 00 Z, 4l60E, 4400, 4.10, F4, -1700, 3300, 12/02
Demonicbird00---10.998@126.93 (1.49), 00 TA, M6, Lingen, 4.10, 250,-1082, 3250, 4/07
camscam02 ----11.124@121.48 (1.48), 02SS, 4L60E, 4400, 4.10, MS3, +337, 3375, 6/07
For the average street or hpde Z06 a smaller cam is often the better choice. I am a fan of staying in the low 230s int/exh.
Originally Posted by ls1amit
hey man you need to put the video up I have never seen any of docs tuned cars with a big cam in it.