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Old Nov 21, 2007 | 09:41 AM
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Question Oh my, more headers questions...!

Hello experts!
I had been seriously considering the Dynatech SuperMaXX system pictured below for my basically stock 03 Z06. (CAI, 150 shot N2o)
Since my only use is on the street, I'm looking for sound, adding HP and Tourqe in the natural range of the motor Stock Power band, LS6). I'm currently putting down 382 rwhp with my NA tune.
My primary reason in considering this system was my impression that it would be an easy install, (bolt-on myself) and the completeness of the combination in one package. Price too...less than 1350.00 + tax and shipping. (Headers, Cats, X-pipe, clamps, bolts, gaskets)


And the ad says add 40hp! Is this real??? What can I really expect from any headers system???
I'm curious if there are any EDUCATED opinions as to how this system compares to my desires and why it's not mentioned when I see all the discussions about exhaust headers and the like. (ARH, LG, Kooks, GHL)
Oh yes, I plan to keep my stock TI's!
Based on my needs and desires...If the Dynatech is wrong...what is right? I want a complete system!
PS. I LOVE this forum and appreciate the expertise you folks offer, after all, I am just a girl!
Thanks in advance!
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Old Nov 21, 2007 | 09:50 AM
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I presonally like the American Racing Headers they sell it complete with cats also for around the same price and they have high velocity merge collectors. Also they are available in 1 7/8" The cats they use flow very good. Many sponsors sell them. They are around $1600
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Old Nov 21, 2007 | 11:11 AM
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I almost bought the Dynatech SuperMaXX system but talked with other C5 owners locally and ended going with a Melrose sytem. I did not like the square 4 bolt flangd of the Dynatech's. Ground clearance can be an issue of you lower the car.

40RWHP is not out of the question, but IMO not likely. Installation can be done at home. With my set (and others from what I read here) I had to raise the engine slightly for the drivers side to slide in.

There are not any wrong choices for LT's as long as you stay with the name brands. Just one consideration. If you plan on adding a Blower you should opt for the larger tube headers.

Good luck and keeps up posted...

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Old Nov 21, 2007 | 11:31 AM
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The supermaxx is a nice setup. Though I agree with Rojo about the 4 bolt flange. Makes it a pain to tighten down the bolts. Kooks have a 2 bolt flange, really nice setup. LG i believe uses band clamps.

Kooks makes a really nice setup and so does lgmotorsports. Are you looking for cats in the system? I got my kooks setup for a really good priced shipped to my door, I went with the 1 7/8" race style and those were a pain to get in. The smaller 1 3/4" tubes make the job easier.

I have no problems with the kooks setup and that setup with no cats makes the car sound awesome!!!

You really can't go wrong with any setup. Just the weight differance is worth it from stock to the aftermarket

btw got mine from Maryland speed, lowest that I could find. Call them up. They are a sponsor on here.

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Old Nov 21, 2007 | 11:49 AM
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ive heard great things about kooks and lg i have tpis and would like to get a set of kooks but i am too cheap
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Old Nov 21, 2007 | 04:14 PM
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I got Kooks from tburne he's a sponser here. They gave me a great deal at the time, and they had a sale going. Their service was great too.
I would like to add some thing here, one of the local tuners here told me that the dynomax are great headers but he did not like the collector design on them. When I asked him why and he told me he just can't get the power out of them as compared to the Kooks or Lgs. (At the time the time the ARH were not out. I wasn't dissing them).
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Old Nov 22, 2007 | 08:19 AM
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I have Kooks. No problems with them.
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Old Nov 22, 2007 | 09:48 AM
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I have the Dynatech system and am very happy with it. It is easy to install. Unlike others I like the 4-bolt flange. The flanges tighten up nicely and do not leak. They have good ground clearance as well.
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im very happy with the american racing headers I installed on my car. best fitting headers ive ever installed on anything. that being said I think the supermaxx setup,lg,or kooks would all be similar in fit and quality. I doubt there would be anything significant in power difference between the bunch.
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Old Nov 22, 2007 | 04:59 PM
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I'd go with American Racing or LG depending on what you want out of the car.

Originally Posted by AU N EGL
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This has been posted a few times before. SOme things to think about are what are you going to use you car for? also dyno numbers show differences, but how often is you car running from 5500 to 7000 rpms?

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Headers

The LONGER primaries of the LG's & Dynatech tend to LOSE their scavenging effect above 3500 rpms.. They are GREAT for LOW END TORQUE at LOWER RPMS. Perfect for street driving & road racers..

However for DRAG racing, the brands with shorter primaries KOOKS, AR, TPIS, will OUT PERFORM from 4000-7000 rpms, exactly where the power band is @ WOT....

The dyno results may only offer minimal if any gains, but on the drag strip, a .05-.1 quicker ET can be had.

Dyno tests with headers having primary lengths adjustable in three-inch increments show that lengths between 24 and 36 inches have only a minor effect on the power curve of V-8s that you and I can typically afford, although the longer pipes do marginally favor the low end.

PRIMARY PIPE LENGTH
"The overall length of the primary header pipe is governed almost exclusively by the target engine's rpm range, which is dependent upon wave tuning. Typically, a lower engine rpm range likes a longer primary pipe, while a high rpm engine prefers a shorter primary."

The length of the primary pipes also affects torque. Where diameter affects the torque peak relative to rpm, the length affects the shape of the torque curve. Longer primaries provide more torque below the peak and reduce it past the peak. Shorter primaries provide more torque above the peak at the expense of below-peak torque. More torque in the low- to mid-rpm range is important to drivers who want that feeling of seat-of-your-pants performance on the street. Longer primaries also reduce the chance of escaping exhaust's being drawn back up another pipe.

In order to keep the torque curve the same for all eight cylinders, it is important that primary pipes be equal in length. Exactly how equal they have to be is more critical on uncorked race cars than for the vast majority of mild-engined street cars running through mufflers. In most applications, pipe length deviation of 2 to 3 inches on a set of full-length headers is not a problem.

Backpressure

From a certain perspective, you will always have backpressure. The only Zero-Backpressure system out there is in outer space. As long as you are running an engine in atmospheric air, there will be "backpressure" from the static pressure at the end of the tailpipe.

I've always found it odd that people don't give more thought to where their pipes terminate, as some placements are better than others. If you dump the pipe into an area of smooth, hi-speed flow, then Bournoulli tells us that you have lower pressure there, and the exhaust flow will be enhanced because it is essentially being "sucked" out of the pipe.

This is why going to big on the pipe diameter can really kill power, because the exhaust flow has more atmosphere to fight against. Pipe diameter is always a compromise-- the ideal only exists for ONE combination of throttle position, timing, load, IAT, etc etc-- everything else is compromised to some degree.


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Pipe Size

For exhaust, pipe size mismatch will show up in the power curve, with oversized pipe losing at low RPM torque and undersized pipe suffering upper RPM hp.

1 7/8” headers for low to mid range tq and hp 2” for high end HP or big cube motors
Out of the brands with shorter primaries, American Racing are the newest, easiest to install, and the brand used by ECS, Cartek, etc. If you are wanting the longer primaries, LG are better than Dynatech.

Overall, I'd say American Racing, Kooks, and LG are the best quality.

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