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Old 05-11-2008 | 02:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike@Diablosport
Well, I see both sides of this argument, but bottom line is, there is nothing wrong with the Predator tunes.
I would venture to say that those who have referred to it as crap have never tuned a car, likely have never opened any tuning software, they are basing this off what the guy selling them a $500 custom tune for a stock car told them....lol.
Actually I have used both your product (on mustangs) and HP tuners. Most people bying your product are just throwing in your canned tune which I have plenty on them on the dyno and seen some the logs and they are crap. Sure if you open up the actual software it is a lot different story but for the most part most of your average customers do not do that.
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Originally Posted by Bullitt4110
Actually I have used both your product (on mustangs) and HP tuners. Most people bying your product are just throwing in your canned tune which I have plenty on them on the dyno and seen some the logs and they are crap. Sure if you open up the actual software it is a lot different story but for the most part most of your average customers do not do that.
i completely agree, but to be fair, this does seem to be a case of 'apples to oranges' comparison. you get the more correct tune for the heavier price.
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EFFF NO!
Svtbait why do you say no? I'm only doing minimal mods(intake and exhaust). Plus this is the only programmer I know of that turns off the rear o2's so I can delete my cats.
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I had a Hypertech. I wouldn't say "junk"... it was just limited in it's abilities. I got rid of it when I started using N2o, and got HPtuners.

As for the Diablosport... HURRY THE HELL UP SO i CAN GET ONE FOR MY HEMI TRUCK!
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After personal experience on over 100 cars with handheld tuners, in personal experience, I highly recommend Diablosports Predator. I use one all the time as well, in my own car, which made over 600rwhp. If your car is stock,..or near stock, I STRONGLY recommend one, as it'll open your eyes to a whole new performance bug.

As far as having a CUSTOM DYNO TUNE, I agree, nothing like a custom tune, for THAT car, on THAT day. But, say you go get a custom tune,....and your driving....and one day you have to go back to the dealership for whatever reason. Lets say, a tech there see's a bulletin,...which involves a PCM re-calibration.....and he does it, cause it;s a legit bulletin, and another way for him to get paid. So, he reflashes it. What do you think wil happen to that custom dyno tune you spent 500 bucks on?.... gone, thats what happened.

With the predator, you could easily return your car to stock, at anytime. For warranty concerns....or maybe your selling the car. You can then, resale the returned to new predator, if you wanted.

Did I mention data logging? Ha....can't tell you how much I use my live data function on my predator. Just about everynight I go racing.

Got trouble codes? Well, you can check, and clear trouble codes at any time. Can't tell you how handy this tool is to me. And, I actually have full access to a TECH II at any given tuime,...but I still choose MY predator.

Storngly recommend them, not only for there product but, they're customer care and the people that are there, trouble shooting and building custom tunes. Whats that,..they do custom tunes?........

Yes.

Hope this helps.

What he said but i would find a used one for $100-$200 and try it if you like it keep it if you dont sell it. I found one used and I LOVE IT I Strongley recommend them.
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Originally Posted by Todd157k
I had a Hypertech. I wouldn't say "junk"... it was just limited in it's abilities. I got rid of it when I started using N2o, and got HPtuners.

As for the Diablosport... HURRY THE HELL UP SO i CAN GET ONE FOR MY HEMI TRUCK!
Its coming...looking to have them done by the end of next month.

Originally Posted by 5301113
What he said but i would find a used one for $100-$200 and try it if you like it keep it if you dont sell it. I found one used and I LOVE IT I Strongley recommend them.
Thanks, glad you are enjoying it.

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Hey Mike, you guys are going to be able to tune the C6 A6 trans now too? The TCM has had to be tuned alone but you guys are supposed to have the ability soon? If so, Im ordering mine tomorrow. Hell, if V-series praises it, Im ordering it anyway.
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I use it all the time man. We used it on my uncles 1996 LT4 over the weekend to data log, and find that the car had a faulty injector. I thought that was pretty awesome...that I just scanned a 402 WS6, a 99 checy pickup, and a 1996 corvette, with the same tool. It was pretty funny showing my uncle the date screen,....him being a carb BIG block guy.

Honestly, great product,...can't even begin to tell you how useful it's been for me. All those late night DTC's..... should I drive it home....or should I not...

Hell, I blew my intake manifold off my car one night. Car wouldn't even start. Retuned it on the side of the road,...lol,...got an instant 3500rpm idle....I hopped in the car,...drove it home just like that. Thats one,..out of alot of times for me,..personally.

Now, I can LOG data. Hell yes.
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Originally Posted by V-seriesTech
I use it all the time man. We used it on my uncles 1996 LT4 over the weekend to data log, and find that the car had a faulty injector. I thought that was pretty awesome...that I just scanned a 402 WS6, a 99 checy pickup, and a 1996 corvette, with the same tool. It was pretty funny showing my uncle the date screen,....him being a carb BIG block guy.

Honestly, great product,...can't even begin to tell you how useful it's been for me. All those late night DTC's..... should I drive it home....or should I not...

Hell, I blew my intake manifold off my car one night. Car wouldn't even start. Retuned it on the side of the road,...lol,...got an instant 3500rpm idle....I hopped in the car,...drove it home just like that. Thats one,..out of alot of times for me,..personally.

Now, I can LOG data. Hell yes.

Jamie, where could I pick one up locally for under $400? I see them on Ebay for $369 but any idea around here?

Thanks.
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Originally Posted by JayplaySS2
Jamie, where could I pick one up locally for under $400? I see them on Ebay for $369 but any idea around here?

Thanks.
Honestly the best deals tend to come from the net, but you may find a local shop that will hook you up.

TCM support is not done at the moment, but is coming.
You'll get full shift point/firmness control, and it will be a free download from our website once it is done.

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not to butt in to anybodys convo.....but im wandering how a predator tune would do on my 01ZO6 after i did the VR-B2, LG's, and corsa's?...I plan on doing these mods when i come back from the desert.
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I can't compare directly to the Diablo since I havn't had one....

But I did buy a Crane Cams programmer (supposedly best with cam choices) with my Firehawk before I went twin turbo (at that point I did a street tune using hptuners)

The cam selection in the Crane was still very rough, I guess it only tuned Wide Open Throttle (WOT) like most programmers....

When it was said and done I got some training on how to properly street tune a car using hptuners.... night and day having perfect drivability at all rpms and all conditions of driving.

When I saw the tune that was put in by Vengeance Racing for a dyno tune just beofre I learned about hptuners (while I was still cam only) I was pissed off at the level of actual change... almost nothing for the $475 I payed them.

Anyone that thinks a dyno tune is worth $400+ is a stupid sheep.

In my book the ONLY tune (handheld, dyno or street) is a realtime tune while done for that climate, that day, that circimstance while using a tuner such as hptuners or efilive.

Right now at this very second I have a post in the Southern Section to buy hptuners.... that is my testament to what I believe.

Sorry V series and Diablo, I'm speaking my mind, and I believe I know what I'm talking about after seeing the old tune from the handheld (so called cam tuning) and also a dyno tune (by the claimed experts) at Vengeance.

In comparison, everything else is nothing to a dead on street tune.
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Originally Posted by JayplaySS2
Jamie, where could I pick one up locally for under $400? I see them on Ebay for $369 but any idea around here?

Thanks.


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Originally Posted by SStheBest
not to butt in to anybodys convo.....but im wandering how a predator tune would do on my 01ZO6 after i did the VR-B2, LG's, and corsa's?...I plan on doing these mods when i come back from the desert.


They have numerous long tube tunes on file for my old setups....which include vararam and longtubes....and a catback.
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Originally Posted by ~JOSHUA
I can't compare directly to the Diablo since I havn't had one....

But I did buy a Crane Cams programmer (supposedly best with cam choices) with my Firehawk before I went twin turbo (at that point I did a street tune using hptuners)

The cam selection in the Crane was still very rough, I guess it only tuned Wide Open Throttle (WOT) like most programmers....

When it was said and done I got some training on how to properly street tune a car using hptuners.... night and day having perfect drivability at all rpms and all conditions of driving.

When I saw the tune that was put in by Vengeance Racing for a dyno tune just beofre I learned about hptuners (while I was still cam only) I was pissed off at the level of actual change... almost nothing for the $475 I payed them.

Anyone that thinks a dyno tune is worth $400+ is a stupid sheep.

In my book the ONLY tune (handheld, dyno or street) is a realtime tune while done for that climate, that day, that circimstance while using a tuner such as hptuners or efilive.

Right now at this very second I have a post in the Southern Section to buy hptuners.... that is my testament to what I believe.

Sorry V series and Diablo, I'm speaking my mind, and I believe I know what I'm talking about after seeing the old tune from the handheld (so called cam tuning) and also a dyno tune (by the claimed experts) at Vengeance.

In comparison, everything else is nothing to a dead on street tune.



I hear you man....

...but my cars spent hours getting drivability down,...hours... since it's always been important to me, since it was my dailydriver. 50mph crusies...over and over and over again. Not mention,..believe me when I tell you this,..I have done soo many setups at the dealership, for cars that we have built(alot..over 80 forced induction setups,including heads and cam/and stroker motors). Believe me when I tell you, that most of these cars, if not 90% of them, are all for people that will never see a racetrack, or even care about WOT. Not to mention, these cars are BRAND NEW vehicles, many, with under ten miles on them. Driveability is CRUCIAL to us as a new car dealership. Some soccor mom with a blown H2and a camshaft,...wouldn't have it any other way.

Soo, after trying several places as a dealership,...we ended up with diablosport, and we have never looked back. I don't get payed by diablosport,...nothing,...but, like you believe in hp tuners(which is good, and I have used it before)...I believe in Diablosport as well... and I wouldn't preach about something...if I didn't believe in it.

they're are many things available in this market but, only a few things that are actually useable,...and upgradeable that actually work. In my experience, it's been diablosport. For the people that ride around with labtops in your car,..well, thats awesome,...you can do that. However, for those of you like myself that it just isn't fiesable(however you spell that)...or don'thave a labtop,...I recommend them hands down.

Also,for you do it yourselfer labtop guys..they do offer CMR "Chip Master Revolution" ..... if you want a more indepth ability to tune your car,...other then the Predator.

Again,...i'm a believer, not an employee. I've had it on all my cars,...and i'll continue to use them based on my customers satisfaction alone.

I don't disagree with what anyone says about other tuning software to an extent but,...unless you know what your doing tuning wise,..I do not recommend it to guess with, as the outcome could be costly.

Good news is, it's still a free country...so,...choose whatever it may be that suits you,...just choose wisely.

Peace out
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When I get the L92 H/C and bolt ons then I will have a custom dyno tune for it done at a CMR tuner using the Diablo. You are also able to have multiple tunes when you have a handheld.

So when I add the 100 shot, I will also be able to load that tune for that night and go back to H/C tune when finished for the night. Since Diablo will have TCM support as well, there is no question when you have an A6. I cant wait, it made a HELL of a difference on my 300C SRT8!
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Originally Posted by ~JOSHUA
I can't compare directly to the Diablo since I havn't had one....

But I did buy a Crane Cams programmer (supposedly best with cam choices) with my Firehawk before I went twin turbo (at that point I did a street tune using hptuners)

The cam selection in the Crane was still very rough, I guess it only tuned Wide Open Throttle (WOT) like most programmers....

When it was said and done I got some training on how to properly street tune a car using hptuners.... night and day having perfect drivability at all rpms and all conditions of driving.

When I saw the tune that was put in by Vengeance Racing for a dyno tune just beofre I learned about hptuners (while I was still cam only) I was pissed off at the level of actual change... almost nothing for the $475 I payed them.

Anyone that thinks a dyno tune is worth $400+ is a stupid sheep.

In my book the ONLY tune (handheld, dyno or street) is a realtime tune while done for that climate, that day, that circimstance while using a tuner such as hptuners or efilive.

Right now at this very second I have a post in the Southern Section to buy hptuners.... that is my testament to what I believe.

Sorry V series and Diablo, I'm speaking my mind, and I believe I know what I'm talking about after seeing the old tune from the handheld (so called cam tuning) and also a dyno tune (by the claimed experts) at Vengeance.

In comparison, everything else is nothing to a dead on street tune.
You'll never see us even attempt to offer 'canned Cam tunes' as thats a joke, no two cars will ever want/need the same tune even with the same cam.
As for street tuning, any CMR dealer has the ability to do a full street tune, problem is, most people simply want numbers!

Thanks
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