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Old 02-02-2010, 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by jim1450
Well I was told by a few people that they acid ported heads. Material in the right place can change air flow, & there are a few ways to make the runner smaller to remove material. A little can make a big difference, I have wathed people test on on a flow bench that used modeling clay to help a port. Motors & trans in Stock are far from cheap, light wgt internals in the auto transmissions cost. A few hundredths here & there & you go from 10.01 to a 9.97, maybe they play the game different today.
You should try it out.

This is a budget LT1 Stocker with a really mild LT1. Stock pistons, rods, cam, etc. Still index's!
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Hey Tim, you're running a 12 bolt right? How many of the fast stick guys are running the 12 bolts? I'm a little concerned about mine and I'll never run an automatic and it'll probably always be a street car so the pro gears won't work.
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Originally Posted by SWeiser31
Hey Tim, you're running a 12 bolt right? How many of the fast stick guys are running the 12 bolts? I'm a little concerned about mine and I'll never run an automatic and it'll probably always be a street car so the pro gears won't work.
The only good choice that Tim has is the 12-bolt. The rear has to be corporate, so that leaves the 10-bolt as his only other choice (no truck rears allowed).
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Originally Posted by GIZMO
The only good choice that Tim has is the 12-bolt. The rear has to be corporate, so that leaves the 10-bolt as his only other choice (no truck rears allowed).
I see. Well that gives me some hope then. Thank you sir.
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M6 prob wont last very long.
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Originally Posted by jim1450
Unported heads?
In 97 I was thinking about racing my 82 in stock & called Woodrow about a motor, he told me what they did but those were iron head motors. There are plenty of tricks in those "stock" motors.
He also told me to buy a running car rather than build one, there were some good running carbed cars for sale @ that time because guys were changing to FI.
NHRA clammped down on that some. Last year they were going to start pouring the ports during tear downs like they do Super Stock engines. Guys are working on them to find another couple hundredths. Nothing like ported heads you would go buy to put on anything else. We aren't talking tenths of a second here.

Woodro gave you some good advice. There are a lot of EFI cars for sale now, many jobs lost. New guys come in and normally run so slow they give up. People didn't used to quit so easily. I raced a full season before I won a single round. Now, if they can't run fast enough right off, many will go bracket race, or something else easier. About the only fast young guys in my div (4) are driving their Dad's, or an uncle's car, or bought a competitive car from somebody. Not many, anymore, want to stock it out like Tim.
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[QUOTE=jim1450;12840582]I look on RJ & classracer once in a while, I looked alot last year before I bought my 98 Z/28. A little to expensive for me & I have made a pretty good living last few years, I thought last time I saw a LS car it was like $35k.

$35K? That is a lot cheaper than building one, plus buying more parts to test to try to make it faster. A LOT cheaper. There are guys paying that for just an engine.
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Wasn't Al running one of those big overbore engines? Anyone know what I mean? Stock LS1 is just under 3.900 bore, and weren't some stocker cars running 4.0065 bores or something?
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Originally Posted by Pro Stock John
Wasn't Al running one of those big overbore engines? Anyone know what I mean? Stock LS1 is just under 3.900 bore, and weren't some stocker cars running 4.0065 bores or something?
No more than /070" overbore. May have still been .060" over back when he did it. That car is being raced in Div 4 right now, belongs to a guy from Louisiana. Still bad fast when he wants to turn up the wick.
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Originally Posted by SWeiser31
Hey Tim, you're running a 12 bolt right? How many of the fast stick guys are running the 12 bolts? I'm a little concerned about mine and I'll never run an automatic and it'll probably always be a street car so the pro gears won't work.
Daren is correct.

I have never a street gear last longer than 3 passes in my cars lol. Pro gears is what I've always ran they take much more abuse.

I would say just keep an eye on those street gears and run em as long as you can.
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Here is a pic of my friend Amy & Kenny Faulks Stocker.
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All this has my interest. It would be game on but my 99 SS wont work. Has a full Burkhart suspension and narrowed 9". May try sell it and find a good Hard Top V-6 Car to build. Decisions, Decisions...
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Acid porting is only about 40 years old. Nothing new there. Jim1450 the game is played different today. It is much more complicated than before. I could write a pretty big book on stocker heads. They do pour them now. I know it very well since they bounced our record at the beginning of last year for very little off of the spec. Last year was the year they said they were only going to pour ports to gather data so we did not check all of our heads. I guess NHRA changed their minds and did not tell us. Factory heads are far from uniform.

"You don't know what you don't know yet"

We have a 12 bolt in a SS car that runs 9.70s all day with a stick. Pro gears only.

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I didn't know you could go .060 - .070 over with a production LS1 block.
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You can't they sleeve them. Thats why I just went .020 on my first motor.

Some use ls2 blocks and sleeve them also.
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can you drive a progear on the street, roadtrips?
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Originally Posted by b18c1hybrid
Here is a pic of my friend Amy & Kenny Faulks Stocker.
Amy is an absolute sweet heart. However, I don't know that I would be telling people I knew Kenny. Could be hard on a guy's rep.
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Originally Posted by Pro Stock John
I didn't know you could go .060 - .070 over with a production LS1 block.
Al and I have a mutual friend that tells me he used a C5R block back then, sleeved down. Probably an LS2 or 3 block now. The C5R blocks are kinda pricey (not that it would bother Al), if they are still available.
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So what is the ended up bore size then, 3.970? That's practically an LS2 at that point. Interesting.


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