i need cam choice help
i need cam choice help ok well ive been searching and doin research on here but i need some help. ive got a 2000 z28 thats got qa1's up front, subframes, lcas and brackets, lakewood 50/50 drag shocks, 4l60e with a fuddle 4000 stall, slicks, skinnies, nitrous, and bolt ons. currently it is a cam only car with spray but i plan on changing the cam and puttin some midly worked 241 heads on it
So my question is what do you guys think would be the best cam for my setup. Im looking to make good N/A power and still make good power on the bottle. Ive looked at the MS3 and MS4 cams, the "el torro" cam, and a few more but i dont know whats the best bang for the buck. So please help me make my decision because im sure most of you know cam only setups better than i do. Thanks, Matt.
So my question is what do you guys think would be the best cam for my setup. Im looking to make good N/A power and still make good power on the bottle. Ive looked at the MS3 and MS4 cams, the "el torro" cam, and a few more but i dont know whats the best bang for the buck. So please help me make my decision because im sure most of you know cam only setups better than i do. Thanks, Matt.
346 i assume?? you are gonna be limited on what you can fit on stock heads/pistons rather than how big you really wanna go.
we are finishing up a car right now that is getting a 231/237 585/598 112lsa. this is a custom grind that speed inc speced. this is supposed to be about the biggest you can go without ptv issues. it is a good n/a cam, and i think it would make a good spray cam too.
we are finishing up a car right now that is getting a 231/237 585/598 112lsa. this is a custom grind that speed inc speced. this is supposed to be about the biggest you can go without ptv issues. it is a good n/a cam, and i think it would make a good spray cam too.
The only one as far as TOP end cams that have ALWAYS put up the dyno # was the TRex cam. Mikey from Rapid (sponsor) puts out some INSANE N/A set ups that have always been consistantly making great power.
You DO sacrifice some low end for the high end. IF you do not care about that on the street, then your ready to step up.
FYI, you should at this point fly cut the pistions to give you needed clearence and consider having the heads milled to bump the Compression Ratio, this will help with cams and ported head step ups immensely.
Either way the bump in C/R helps N/A power and Nitrous set ups.
The onlyy thing that I would consider is getting rid of the Fuddle and putting in a decent TQ converter that is made for Nitrous. I did not see the gearing mentioned but 3.73's at minimum.
You DO sacrifice some low end for the high end. IF you do not care about that on the street, then your ready to step up.
FYI, you should at this point fly cut the pistions to give you needed clearence and consider having the heads milled to bump the Compression Ratio, this will help with cams and ported head step ups immensely.
Either way the bump in C/R helps N/A power and Nitrous set ups.
The onlyy thing that I would consider is getting rid of the Fuddle and putting in a decent TQ converter that is made for Nitrous. I did not see the gearing mentioned but 3.73's at minimum.
346 i assume?? you are gonna be limited on what you can fit on stock heads/pistons rather than how big you really wanna go.
we are finishing up a car right now that is getting a 231/237 585/598 112lsa. this is a custom grind that speed inc speced. this is supposed to be about the biggest you can go without ptv issues. it is a good n/a cam, and i think it would make a good spray cam too.
we are finishing up a car right now that is getting a 231/237 585/598 112lsa. this is a custom grind that speed inc speced. this is supposed to be about the biggest you can go without ptv issues. it is a good n/a cam, and i think it would make a good spray cam too.
EPS 234 / 246 111 LSA will destroy all! Geoff designed the Trex cam and claims this will walk all over the Trex.
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I don't see how you can really recommend that setup. I'm running a 224 cam yet I run @ 2300' elevation and run almost identical times / mph as you with no suspension setup at all. I imagine I'm a good 30 ft/lbs under the curve over what you're using and have superior driveability. You don't need tons of intake duration on these cars to go fast. No need for an agressive LSK lobe either, beats the seats right out of heads.
I don't see how you can really recommend that setup. I'm running a 224 cam yet I run @ 2300' elevation and run almost identical times / mph as you with no suspension setup at all. I imagine I'm a good 30 ft/lbs under the curve over what you're using and have superior driveability. You don't need tons of intake duration on these cars to go fast. No need for an agressive LSK lobe either, beats the seats right out of heads.
^^ Iv never got a good 60ft yet either..Its all in the tune as far as driveability.. No idle issues, little to no surge, from rolls its a mean set up I think..I was also on Radials for my 11.7s with 1.9-2.0 60fts..Never made a full pass on Bias Plys..
Its what I have and like it..does what I wanted for the car!!
Its what I have and like it..does what I wanted for the car!!
If you're happy with an under performing big cam setup that lacks low end torque than thats great. I am kind of a perfectionist where as I like to make the most out of the least ($$$). Unless it's an all out drag car, that 375 ftlbs of torque I make at 3000 rpm sure feels awesome on the street. The EPS 234 / 246 will eat any ms4 cam alive, better low end torque and more top end rpm potential. When you cut a better 60' your et will go down but your mph with a bias ply will not increase, which ideally shows you hp. One can enjoy his setup all he likes, but that does not mean there is no room for improvement.
Best bet is to give Geoff @ EPS a call. There's a reason some of the fastest N/A cars are using his cams.
Best bet is to give Geoff @ EPS a call. There's a reason some of the fastest N/A cars are using his cams.
Im not saying its the best set up..I just like it and was suggesting it. I think on a cool night the car could go a lot faster, in 90* heat I think its running what it should. Every time I go to the track its gets faster and faster..I do agree that is has little power down low, no argument there but I do like the way it runs! With the right gears you make up for that loss of low end power. I know theres a lot better stuff out there, I put the cam in the car about 4 weeks after I bought it, KNEW NOTHING about LS cars, just sounded good on Youtube and thats what I went by..now that I race it a little, yes I could have something better. But still I think it runs ok, not a 10 second ride but still drive it a lot, take ti to car shows win awards and go to the strip and run 11s.. Im going tomarrow night to make my final adj. before Pinks..Hopeing for high 1.5s now that I have a sway bar on!!
I have the ms4 in my car and I love it. yea its a big cam, but i have had no issues so far. 239/242 651/609 on 111 lsa . Like it never stops pullin. I have heard that it doesn't like much more than 150 shot but I have had no problems gettin it to suck down the juice.
If you're happy with the setup thats all that matters. But I find it very hard to take advice from someone who picked out a cam based on sound, you even admit it yourself, you didn't know much about it. I agree your car has more in it, but to recommend your setup just because you run it seems silly to me, as there is clearly better setups out there.
I suggested it because he asked about them..MS3,4ect..It works for me and works for a lot of guys! So thats why I suggested it...at the time I didnt know what to pick...but I have no regrets.. only LS car that has beat me was a El Torro Cam, Stalled Auto Car with me on Street tires ...From Rolls I could walk him slowly (spinning)..Digs he clearly lays the smack down! Heads/Camded cars with all kinds of set ups have fallen victim to "The" Firehawk!! LOL!!
Now saying this Im going to get burned but I dont care..I know there are faster people out there but I just was letting a guy know...LS6 Heads MS4 Cam will run good..11s easy..As are a lot of other Cams but I have it so suggested it!
Now saying this Im going to get burned but I dont care..I know there are faster people out there but I just was letting a guy know...LS6 Heads MS4 Cam will run good..11s easy..As are a lot of other Cams but I have it so suggested it!