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Old 07-15-2012, 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Demonicbird00
you need more gear, at least 4.30s

radials can work w/ 6spds you just have to spend the time tuning the suspension

-brandon
Can you elaborate on what needs to be done suspension wise in order to get a manual car to work on a radial.
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i have qa1s w/ a 275 spring up front and qa1s in the rear w/ a stock spring,wolfe drag bar sfc,phb,lcas,adj ta and bmr ta mount

standard setup w/ the settings in the front and rear 1-3 in front 7-8 in the rears

1.49s-1.55s 60's. i plan to have a local suspension guy come to track and fine tune the suspension, theres no reason why i cant run 1.38-1.41s consistently

launch rpm varies due to prep
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Old 07-16-2012, 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Demonicbird00
i have qa1s w/ a 275 spring up front and qa1s in the rear w/ a stock spring,wolfe drag bar sfc,phb,lcas,adj ta and bmr ta mount

standard setup w/ the settings in the front and rear 1-3 in front 7-8 in the rears

1.49s-1.55s 60's. i plan to have a local suspension guy come to track and fine tune the suspension, theres no reason why i cant run 1.38-1.41s consistently

launch rpm varies due to prep
I think you just named every run of the mill suspension part on an F-body. Getting a radial to work on a stick car is more than shock settings and launch RPM.
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Originally Posted by JL ws-6
Demonic, it's time to stop talking and prove this to us, I want to see, your car, run a sub 1.38 or better 60 foot time, and not have a traction after the 60 foot, 10 runs in a row... anything less then that, is not repeating as far as any real racer is concerned.

If you do that then I will change my tune that you can get a radial to work with a stick and without a slipper clutch.


Get it done, or stop talking.

BOOOO YA! That just happened.....seriously....it did.

Sorry OP.

I think you can make it work somewhat for what you're doing right now, but when they wear out get you a set of 28x10.50 stiff sidewall ET Drags and then you will really be happy with your track times and consistency. I feel like I'm being the bearer of bad news, but just trying to get you everything you can out of your car!!!

BTW if Demonics car doesn't bog and buck like a cattle prodded mule on those runs I'll paypal him 100 bucks.

Video proof will be needed to confirm.
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haha 10 runs, in one day with a M6 car! even getting 1.60 thats hard, I dont think I would do that to my car. maybe if I spent like 12 hours at the track... thats alot of runs to get it.
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It would be a push to get 5 runs where I'm stuck racing. Anyway, thanks to everyone for throwing their two cents in. I'm putting in 4.56 gears in the next week. I watched the videos of my runs. The suspension is working okay, but the wheel speed in 1st sucks. 3.90s arent nearly enough gear with an MS3 and 28" tires
......not naturally aspirated anyway. I've got a heavy car to get moving and I think the lower gears will get that wheel speed moving sooner.
In my experience a heavier car needs a bit more gear, especially one that's low on torque like this one. I should be going through the lights between 6100-6300, which is fine with me based on my power curve.
Thanks again.
Oh.........Demonic, if you get to where you're running 1.38's with an M6 and drag radials please share. I've actually run 1.38s in a 45+yr old car before. I remember how much power, converter, traction, and tuning it took. If you can, more power to you, but please share if you do.

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Did I read that right ...you are runnin a Magic Stck 3 ? If so that cam sucks at low end trq in a stick car.I ran it for 5 yrs & went CRAZY tryin to make good runs , I had some just not like it should have .
I finally had Pat G spec me a dif cam & am getting ready for some new passes.
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Yep, I've got a MS3 in a little cubed, low torque motor . There's not much torque below 4 grand, but believe it or not I drive this thing regularly on the street. This is a little baby cam compared to my last monster (286 degrees @.050 and 740lb valvesprings).
4.56 gears, some good air and crazy flat foot shifting and I can smell high 11s.
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Originally Posted by JL ws-6
The car will bog, buck, wheel hop, spin 30 feet out, blow the tires off, etc. That's what radials and stick cars, without a slipper clutch do. Period, end of discussion.
Definitely describes my car LOL But in all honesty i just figured it was because i don't have my suspension "set" in any way.

I have essentially the same setup as the OP, minus a strong rear, averaging the same times. So I do also appreciate all the info i'm seeing her in this thread (even if some don't agree with others)
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Originally Posted by JL ws-6
4.56 and a set of ET drags and you can do it right now.
I know, I know . Hmmmm, okay.... anyone in the Chicago area or closer who wants to trade a set of newer ET Drags (28-10.5-15s) straight up for a set of 275/60 ET streets? They have 4 passes on them and were purchased late June of this year?
Maybe it will be easier to just focus on driving and killing the light than wondering how far I will spin........



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