E85 Guys come on In..
Teching In
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 15
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I am posting this because I am wondering what E85 really is.
It does not appear any ethanol was purchased until recently so it makes
me wonder how much ethanol is really in this and other "ethanol" fuels
at the pumps.
"The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) is dictating that refiners must purchase a certain amount of cellulosic biofuels or pay penalties. EPA grossly over-forecast the amount of cellulosic ethanol for the past three years and will almost certainly ignore its past mistakes and once against require millions of gallons of non-existent fuel again this year. "
http://www.instituteforenergyresearc...chased-anyway/
It does not appear any ethanol was purchased until recently so it makes
me wonder how much ethanol is really in this and other "ethanol" fuels
at the pumps.
"The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) is dictating that refiners must purchase a certain amount of cellulosic biofuels or pay penalties. EPA grossly over-forecast the amount of cellulosic ethanol for the past three years and will almost certainly ignore its past mistakes and once against require millions of gallons of non-existent fuel again this year. "
http://www.instituteforenergyresearc...chased-anyway/
I am posting this because I am wondering what E85 really is.
It does not appear any ethanol was purchased until recently so it makes
me wonder how much ethanol is really in this and other "ethanol" fuels
at the pumps.
"The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) is dictating that refiners must purchase a certain amount of cellulosic biofuels or pay penalties. EPA grossly over-forecast the amount of cellulosic ethanol for the past three years and will almost certainly ignore its past mistakes and once against require millions of gallons of non-existent fuel again this year. "
http://www.instituteforenergyresearc...chased-anyway/
It does not appear any ethanol was purchased until recently so it makes
me wonder how much ethanol is really in this and other "ethanol" fuels
at the pumps.
"The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) is dictating that refiners must purchase a certain amount of cellulosic biofuels or pay penalties. EPA grossly over-forecast the amount of cellulosic ethanol for the past three years and will almost certainly ignore its past mistakes and once against require millions of gallons of non-existent fuel again this year. "
http://www.instituteforenergyresearc...chased-anyway/
what you posted is the type of misinformation people afraid of or against e85 use post. All one has to do is search around the internet to find grassroots performance enthusiasts using it to make as much or more power than c16 while costing less than 1/4 the price per gallon of c16.
While the general public may still be debating the usefulness of this fuel any performance platform people are modding has proven you can make a lot of power on this stuff... go poke around you tube using e85 as your search criteria and see what people are able to do on this pump fuel.
I have studied up on it but its still 2 states away from me - cant wait for it to get closer.
Teching In
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 15
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e85 contains between 70-85% ethanol depending on what climate you are in and what season it is .e85 is basically a marketing name for a series of fuels so as not to confuse the average consumer who bought a flex fuel vehicle.
what you posted is the type of misinformation people afraid of or against e85 use post. All one has to do is search around the internet to find grassroots performance enthusiasts using it to make as much or more power than c16 while costing less than 1/4 the price per gallon of c16.
While the general public may still be debating the usefulness of this fuel any performance platform people are modding has proven you can make a lot of power on this stuff... go poke around you tube using e85 as your search criteria and see what people are able to do on this pump fuel.
I have studied up on it but its still 2 states away from me - cant wait for it to get closer.
what you posted is the type of misinformation people afraid of or against e85 use post. All one has to do is search around the internet to find grassroots performance enthusiasts using it to make as much or more power than c16 while costing less than 1/4 the price per gallon of c16.
While the general public may still be debating the usefulness of this fuel any performance platform people are modding has proven you can make a lot of power on this stuff... go poke around you tube using e85 as your search criteria and see what people are able to do on this pump fuel.
I have studied up on it but its still 2 states away from me - cant wait for it to get closer.
That is Bio-ethanol created mostly from Corn....I was beginning to be curious if the oil companies were really adding the ethanol or not, but I was pretty sure E85 was real but I have no experience with it.
TECH Apprentice
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 301
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Got an E-85 LS7 based 441 build going, just started.
One of the biggest problems with it is the perception that it doesn't make as much power as straight gas. As you guys know, once you get compression to the point where it makes it an apples-to-apples comparison, E-85 makes more power and gets about the same mileage as pump ****.
Once we quit making fuel out of food, E-85 will get much better support.
Geneticists and farmers are now working on what's called an "energy" beet, similar to the sugar beet except it contains more sugars than just sucrose, all which can be used to make ethanol. It takes much less water than corn, can be grown in many areas with minimal irrigation and it's hail/wind tolerant and produces roughly twice the ethanol per acre. It'll take a bunch of cash and work to get the corn lobby unseated, but once the beets get a good foothold, you'll see production ramp up considerably.
We only have one place here to buy it, hoping more will pop up.
One of the biggest problems with it is the perception that it doesn't make as much power as straight gas. As you guys know, once you get compression to the point where it makes it an apples-to-apples comparison, E-85 makes more power and gets about the same mileage as pump ****.
Once we quit making fuel out of food, E-85 will get much better support.
Geneticists and farmers are now working on what's called an "energy" beet, similar to the sugar beet except it contains more sugars than just sucrose, all which can be used to make ethanol. It takes much less water than corn, can be grown in many areas with minimal irrigation and it's hail/wind tolerant and produces roughly twice the ethanol per acre. It'll take a bunch of cash and work to get the corn lobby unseated, but once the beets get a good foothold, you'll see production ramp up considerably.
We only have one place here to buy it, hoping more will pop up.
busted knuckles , all good comments sir... better crops for ethanol for sure unfortunately politicians gave the business to corn growers.
but one misperception on the corn/food thing that all the naysayers conveniently leave out is that the corn they use is livestock feed grade not human and the "waste product" left over after fermentation is actually more valuable than the corn was to begin with , its called distillers grains and your livestock can actually digest it unlike corn to verify this difficulty to digest just check before you flush after eating corn lol
your spot on on compression too , the "flex fuel" vehicles are designed as gasoline vehicles primarily that can run on ethanol , if they were designed for ethanol they would be noticeably down on power on gasoline. E85 can support around 14 to 1 compression and e98 up towards 19 to 1 ( indy cars run e98) try to run 19 to 1 on any gasoline c 16 ,etc... good luck.
The general public has been fed a lot of bull on ethanol and its the hot rodders that are taking to the stuff because it can do things gas cannot so the more we know the more we can re-educate those we come in contact with.
but one misperception on the corn/food thing that all the naysayers conveniently leave out is that the corn they use is livestock feed grade not human and the "waste product" left over after fermentation is actually more valuable than the corn was to begin with , its called distillers grains and your livestock can actually digest it unlike corn to verify this difficulty to digest just check before you flush after eating corn lol
your spot on on compression too , the "flex fuel" vehicles are designed as gasoline vehicles primarily that can run on ethanol , if they were designed for ethanol they would be noticeably down on power on gasoline. E85 can support around 14 to 1 compression and e98 up towards 19 to 1 ( indy cars run e98) try to run 19 to 1 on any gasoline c 16 ,etc... good luck.
The general public has been fed a lot of bull on ethanol and its the hot rodders that are taking to the stuff because it can do things gas cannot so the more we know the more we can re-educate those we come in contact with.
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busted knuckles , all good comments sir... better crops for ethanol for sure unfortunately politicians gave the business to corn growers.
but one misperception on the corn/food thing that all the naysayers conveniently leave out is that the corn they use is livestock feed grade not human and the "waste product" left over after fermentation is actually more valuable than the corn was to begin with , its called distillers grains and your livestock can actually digest it unlike corn to verify this difficulty to digest just check before you flush after eating corn lol
your spot on on compression too , the "flex fuel" vehicles are designed as gasoline vehicles primarily that can run on ethanol , if they were designed for ethanol they would be noticeably down on power on gasoline. E85 can support around 14 to 1 compression and e98 up towards 19 to 1 ( indy cars run e98) try to run 19 to 1 on any gasoline c 16 ,etc... good luck.
The general public has been fed a lot of bull on ethanol and its the hot rodders that are taking to the stuff because it can do things gas cannot so the more we know the more we can re-educate those we come in contact with.
but one misperception on the corn/food thing that all the naysayers conveniently leave out is that the corn they use is livestock feed grade not human and the "waste product" left over after fermentation is actually more valuable than the corn was to begin with , its called distillers grains and your livestock can actually digest it unlike corn to verify this difficulty to digest just check before you flush after eating corn lol
your spot on on compression too , the "flex fuel" vehicles are designed as gasoline vehicles primarily that can run on ethanol , if they were designed for ethanol they would be noticeably down on power on gasoline. E85 can support around 14 to 1 compression and e98 up towards 19 to 1 ( indy cars run e98) try to run 19 to 1 on any gasoline c 16 ,etc... good luck.
The general public has been fed a lot of bull on ethanol and its the hot rodders that are taking to the stuff because it can do things gas cannot so the more we know the more we can re-educate those we come in contact with.
Spot on guy! Not many know the real benefits of ethanol. And it does provide for a huge increase in volumetric efficiency and compression, As illustrated by the engine build in my sig.
Once you build a motor specifically for e85 you will never go back to gas, You wouldn't believe the torque and power you can get from having this much compression
