Joe Kizzire

Come on John what do you consider a OEM block?????

Nine Ball

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Taking a wild guess Joe, but I think he meant non-C5R blocks. I would say "OEM produced, regular production LS1 based blocks"

Joe, why are you so worried about Colonel? He wouldn't even be in your class of racing would he? Or, are you gunning for him this year?

Don't forget about PaiN's car that was just completed. Its around 3100 lbs and has the exact same engine as Stephen's car. Maybe even stronger? Only difference is a built 4L60E instead of the TH350 Stephen has.

There are a LOT of guys out there stripping their cars down right now Joe, more than you think. Only a few of us would rather keep a "complete" car nice and streetable before making it just a racecar.

Tony

Pro Stock John

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OEM is a hard call...

Some LT1 guys don't consider my Iron 422ci an LS1 any more. I do personally. I am running less bore than a 4.100 big bore, I run 4.060, and I picked up 70 lbs too!

C5R is kind of an exotic piece. I'd love one. <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">

Nine Ball

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So, change the statement to "Non C5-R blocks"

Make those compete in the Xtreme class, since you have to be extreme to dump all that $$$ on just a block hahahaha

I still want a 3400+ lb, DOT tired, full-interior, OEM tranny, full accessory class. <img src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" border="0">

Tony

Joe Kizzire

Well guys the fun is over. Dispatch called with a load going to the Marine Air Station in Beaufort, SC. I've been off for 2 weeks but it's time to go back to work.

Tony define DOT tires.

Trevor @ Texas Speed & Perf.

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[quote]Originally posted by Nine Ball:
<strong>I still want a 3400+ lb, DOT tired, full-interior, OEM tranny, full accessory class. <img src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" border="0">
Tony</strong><hr></blockquote>
The only other stipulation should be that the car must be sunset orange metallic. <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0">
I do agree for the next NFRA event that we need a clear definition of what's considered a DOT tire. The tech guy at the museum told me that if it wasn't a radial it wasn't DOT, FWIW. Mickey Thompson begs to differ. <img src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" border="0">

Joe Kizzire

One other question. Would a 67 Camaro with leaf springs, powerglide with brake, LS1 stroker with sheetmedal intake, 1000cfm throttle body, DFI setup be legal for the extreme LS1 NA class?????

I know where Bobby Warrens old 67 Super Stocker is... This car won the first NHRA Sportsnationals at Bowling Green in 1974. I'd have to add about 300lbs which is no big deal.

2K2 LS1

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I don't realy care if they can hang with Pro 5.0; I just want to see classes and big races for the LS1 crowd to race in. I know I am not fast but I would like to compete in a class of some sort. BTW I also wanna see someone run a 100mm thumper on an LS1, Cmarsh has one on his 93 LT1; whose gonna do one on an LS1?

Y2K_WS6_T/A

[quote]Originally posted by 2K2 LS1:
<strong>BTW I also wanna see someone run a 100mm thumper on an LS1, Cmarsh has one on his 93 LT1; whose gonna do one on an LS1?</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think I will eventually!! <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0">

Joe Kizzire

[quote]Originally posted by Pro Stock John:
<strong>OEM is a hard call...

Some LT1 guys don't consider my Iron 422ci an LS1 any more. I do personally. I am running less bore than a 4.100 big bore, I run 4.060, and I picked up 70 lbs too!

C5R is kind of an exotic piece. I'd love one. <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0"> </strong><hr></blockquote>

John on one of the list it say your car has a 418ci engine.

Pro Stock John

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Apparently it's a 422ci. <img src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" border="0">

Joe Kizzire

I just had a happy thought for you "Extreme" guys....
9.99 and you got to have a 10 point cage. Enjoy <img src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" border="0">

Y2K_WS6_T/A

[quote]Originally posted by Joe Kizzire:
<strong>

John on one of the list it say your car has a 418ci engine.</strong><hr></blockquote>

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Let the conspiracies begin.... <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0">

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Nine Ball

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DOT tires means tires with a DOT approval. And yes, that includes ET Streets. Why argue with what the Department Of Transportation defines under their own guidlines?

on the 418 vs 422 thing, PSJ did his initial bore/stroke math wrong. That was another thread.

Joe, I'd love to see a '67 Camaro Xtreme car! Sounds great to me

I'll stick with the slow street cars (hehe)

Tony

Crazyquik

Not to be an ******* or anything, but whats an OEM transmission? I realize a Jerico or Lenco isn't. GM and Tremec are the original equipment manufactures for the LS1, right? (they dont use Borg-Warner's anymore do they?)

Since a Powerglide/TH350/TH400/200-R4 were all originally manufactured by GM, are they allowed in the street classes? Same manufacturer, but not original equipment, and that will effect more people here than weight restrictions with all the Th350s, 400s, and Yank 4L70s in cars. Very valid question in my opinion. Then you can ask "what if someone wants to run a Dedenbear Powerglide" or "what if someone uses a Tremec TKO" but I doubt we'll see any of those.

J.

Pro Stock John

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I meant T56 or 4L60E.

RyanJ

[quote]Originally posted by Joe Kizzire:
<strong>Well guys the fun is over. Dispatch called with a load going to the Marine Air Station in Beaufort, SC. I've been off for 2 weeks but it's time to go back to work.

</strong><hr></blockquote>

cool, i grew up there.

CHRISPY

Why not do this <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">
Have an unlimited class AND a street class that people can enter. Have it so that people have to meet a min weight but can do so with ballast.
ie: Colonel would have to add 500 pounds to his car in the backseat and trunk LOL!
I think an unlimited class is cool as long as the powerplant is LS1 based.
That way you could have a NO2 unlimited, FI unlimited and NA unlimited class and a street class with weight limit. That way you could see the true potential of the LS1 powerplant behind any possible combo. It would be VERY entertaining for the specators.
For the street class if you wanted to you could have an interior rule but I wouldn't enforce the use of AC PS etc etc. that is silly as a lot of people drive on the street everyday without AC. (Myself included) I think Cats would be nice as well for the street class <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0"> (And not hollow cats either LOL! Have a min weight with cats on the car for street class and let the racers add ballast as they see fit to make the class weight. Sometimes I think people forget that this is just for fun. Nobody wants to spend 25 hours putting **** back in their car when they can throw weights in the trunk etc. Have to make it fun for the racers and the fans, thats why I think an unlimited NA, FI and NO2 class would ROCK <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0">
Cheers,
Chris

[ January 03, 2002: Message edited by: Chris ARE 360 ]</p>

Joe Kizzire

Tony correct me if I'm wrong... LS1TECH is owned by you, PSJ and Colonel. PSJ is a partner in the NFRA. Like I said correct me if I'm wrong.

Out of nowhere the only person wanting a 3000lb minimum is "The Colonel". Sure a lot of people say it's great but see how many cars you get in the class that weigh 3000lbs. Also you made a rule that requires all 3400lb cars to have a OEM trans.
So where does that leave all the guys that have installed a different trans???? It's either strip there car or not have a chance of being competitive.

Tony go ahead a admit it.... The only reason the weight rule was changed to 3000lbs minimum was because Steve Sanders wanted it that way.

It's a hell of a way to run a drag race.

Pro Stock John

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Maybe I should have used a different person as an example, not Colonel. That is not the all-about-Colonel class. I know of other NON-LS1 cars that are coming in at 3000 raceweight.

If I/We do NFRA 2002, count on a differentiation between Xtreme and Super Street. SAM car goes into Xtreme with that transmission...

Xtreme NA: 3000 min, NA, no tranny limitations.
Xtreme PA: 3000 min, PA, no tranny limitations.

Street NA: 3400 min, NA, OEM tranny, OEM block.
Street PA: 3400 min, PA, OEM tranny, OEM block.

Also thinking about Factory stock, a bolton class, weight would be an issue.

Joe, the reality is this. It's possible to get a 4th gen down to 3000-3100 raceweight. It's also possible to have a chunky 3700 raceweight too.

I personally have no interest in doing all the work to put this together if people don't see the value in having two different classes. The heavy folks moan about the lighter cars. Then a bunch of heavy AND light folks don't come. Show me why I should bother in 2002. <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">

Thanks for your input, I have all the info I need. <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">