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Old Nov 1, 2016 | 12:35 PM
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i have a 01 z28 bolt on car a4 with 2.73 gears my problem is the car is faster when it is spinning if I heat the tires up it bogs bad car spun off the line and went a 12.96 with a 2.04 60" pulling around the water with drs just doing a dry hop When I heated the tires up it went a 13.05 with a 2.00 60" I'm wondering will a 3.42 swap help with this I know get a converter but I'm still saving for it I found a 3.42 rear for $200
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gears, converter or a shorter tire will all help get the car to roll out quicker. 3.42 and a stall will make a dramatic improvement
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Old Nov 1, 2016 | 01:42 PM
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I was thinking the same thing but you hear so many people say that gears don't make a difference the way the car launches you can tell it's not happy as bad as it's bogging I was thinking with a set of 3.42s it will get it in a better rpm range off the line thus lowering et
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Old Nov 2, 2016 | 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Freshsqueezd
I was thinking the same thing but you hear so many people say that gears don't make a difference the way the car launches you can tell it's not happy as bad as it's bogging I was thinking with a set of 3.42s it will get it in a better rpm range off the line thus lowering et
A converter will get you to a higher rpm off the line. A 3.42 will give your motor more leverage to get the car moving, but your launch rpms will be the same. I've had 2.73, 3.42, and 3.73. My mph difference is within 1 between the different rear ends.
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Old Nov 2, 2016 | 07:59 AM
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So you think the car will still bog through the 60ft even with a gear change? I doubt my 1/4 mph will change anyway but I find it hard to believe the car will put up same numbers with 2.73s than with 3.42s as bad as it bogs with the drs
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Old Nov 2, 2016 | 08:13 AM
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It will help. Not sure if it will eliminate the bog. Leaving on the power that the motor makes at <2000 rpm is what is causing the bog. 3.42 will get you out of the bog quicker is all. For $200 I say it's worth it and then start saving for a converter. I paid $300 for my 3.42 with brakes.

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It will help a tiny bit with the stock converter, and for the money it's probably worth it anyways. But once you have a good converter the time difference between the gears won't be huge.
Though it will be a little nicer to drive the 3.42s with a nice sized converter.
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Well I guess we will see this weekend wish me luck
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I had quite a different setup than you did, but as an example, here is what happened when I did a gear change on my car back in the day. 381whp setup, 3200stall, th400 transbrake.

3.50 gear:
1.84 sixty
7.84 eighth mile

4.56 gear:
1.61 sixty
7.42 eighth mile

Only thing that was changed was gear.
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Old Nov 3, 2016 | 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by 93camaro_zzz
I had quite a different setup than you did, but as an example, here is what happened when I did a gear change on my car back in the day. 381whp setup, 3200stall, th400 transbrake.

3.50 gear:
1.84 sixty
7.84 eighth mile

4.56 gear:
1.61 sixty
7.42 eighth mile

Only thing that was changed was gear.
Seems like the better sixty got you better times.. But maybe a 4200 stall instead of a 3200 stall could have made similar improvements..
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There is a point of diminishing returns. I went from a 3.73 to a 4.10 and ran an identical time. I think that's because my car is light, has a 4k stall, and a broad powerband. It simply didnt need that small gear improvement. I think each combo will react a little differently.
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Originally Posted by NewOrleansLT1
Seems like the better sixty got you better times.. But maybe a 4200 stall instead of a 3200 stall could have made similar improvements..
For my setup back then, I just needed more power on the hit. On the 3.50 gear, "Dead Hook" would have been an understatement. Yes it dead hooked, but it wasn't even anywhere NEAR to being able to spin the tires (275-pro tire). Comparatively, I now hit the same setup with a 10psi boost launch (Prob around 650whp), and it still dead hooks to a 1.25 sixty. lol

So yeah, long story short, for that old setup I had, I literally just needed more starting line ratio (Read: More torque on the 1st gear hit). The sixty was what they would call "power limited".
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Old Nov 6, 2016 | 05:11 PM
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Looks like the gears helped guys nothing has changed but the 3.42 gears other than that same exact setup... and I'm willing to bet the air was worse
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3mph in the 1/8th is a pretty big improvement with just a gear change which surprised me. I figured the 60' would improved a bit.
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Old Nov 7, 2016 | 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Hardtop Brian
3mph in the 1/8th is a pretty big improvement with just a gear change which surprised me. I figured the 60' would improved a bit.
it surprised me too in a good way hopefully that's 12.5s in the 1/4 won't know until this coming weekend
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4600 converter for a stock cammed motor works very very well.... if you haven't spent the $ on one orncan do a restall on yours do it.

Put a good cooler on the 4ljunkie transmissions don't like heat.
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Nice. 4 tenths in the 1/8th. Exactly what my car dropped. Just sucks mine was on a 3200 stall. lol. But I wasn't trying to maximize that N/A setup.
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