9s on the stock short block?
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9s on the stock short block? What do you guys think? I might make that a long term goal. Running a full weight SS, with maybe a bit of weight reduction. (no removing carpet or airbags, etc). Running a hydraulic roller, H/C/I and a TNT 150 shot. I'd like you opions on if its possible in my M6. <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />
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Re: 9s on the stock short block? I dont forsee you running anything close to 9s in a full weight H/C/I SS with just a 150shot.
I could see if Raughammer threw some spray on his car (with a smaller converter) it would be feasable.
I could see if Raughammer threw some spray on his car (with a smaller converter) it would be feasable.
Re: 9s on the stock short block? going from 12.77 to 9.99 is a LONG ways. I could see a good running heads/cam car with a big nitrous shot running a 9. but it would take a strong car that is setup perfectly. with a 6 speed thats questionable, if it holds together. btw it would probably take a 200+ shot and that is a LOT of power for your stock bottom end to handle. you better have a mongo fuel system too.
Re: 9s on the stock short block? Keep in mind, it's much easier to go from 13.0 to 12.0, or even 12.0 to 11.0. After that tenths are like seconds, seriously! When you begin running that quick, deminishing returns start to take affect and it's MUCH harder to drop ET's.
If you plan on running 9's w/ a 346, I wouldn't try to do it with an M6....to much **** breaks, and they just don't 60 foot as well. I would plan on building up a completely forged bottom end, billet rods, solid roller car running Stage 3 Ls6 heads and a huge split cam, and a direct port monster shot. It's definately possible I think, but it would take a good bit of cash to pull it off.
If you plan on running 9's w/ a 346, I wouldn't try to do it with an M6....to much **** breaks, and they just don't 60 foot as well. I would plan on building up a completely forged bottom end, billet rods, solid roller car running Stage 3 Ls6 heads and a huge split cam, and a direct port monster shot. It's definately possible I think, but it would take a good bit of cash to pull it off.
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Re: 9s on the stock short block? Onyx - I said a long term goal. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> As in a few years. I'm only running 12.7, but this is my first year in the 1/4mile game.
From the sounds of it, i'm not sure if it'd be worth it. For now, i'll just keep 10s as my goal. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
From the sounds of it, i'm not sure if it'd be worth it. For now, i'll just keep 10s as my goal. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
Re: 9s on the stock short block? 9's has been my long-term goal for quite some time now. I'm 99% positive I can get in the 10's with just a Stage II heads/cam setup. A 150 wet-shot ought to get me somewhere close to 9's. If not, there's always more weight reduction.
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Re: 9s on the stock short block? I'd say you are looking at a true 250 shot on top of heads and cam if you are not doing weight reduction. Would it be safe to say that you'd need to run at least 135mph to run 9's with an M6?
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Re: 9s on the stock short block? This is my goal aswell with my current heads and cam setup, glad to see I am not the only lunatic having these thought with a 346 aswell...... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" />
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Re: 9s on the stock short block? Everyone would like to run 9s on a 346. 95% of the cars just blow up or break before they get there. The owners get sick of breaking and upgrade.
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Re: 9s on the stock short block? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Pro Stock John:
<strong>Would it be safe to say that you'd need to run at least 135mph to run 9's with an M6?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">CORRECT MY FRIEND.
At most events if you will notice the average MPH to ET for most cars it goes like this.
MPH TO BREAK INTO
135 9's
150 8's
170 7's
200 6's
Before anyone says anything MPH does vary from vehicle to setup. These numbers are just general areas that you will more than likely be in. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
<strong>Would it be safe to say that you'd need to run at least 135mph to run 9's with an M6?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">CORRECT MY FRIEND.
At most events if you will notice the average MPH to ET for most cars it goes like this.
MPH TO BREAK INTO
135 9's
150 8's
170 7's
200 6's
Before anyone says anything MPH does vary from vehicle to setup. These numbers are just general areas that you will more than likely be in. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
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Re: 9s on the stock short block? [QUOTE]Originally posted by Tums:
At most events if you will notice the average MPH to ET for most cars it goes like this.
MPH TO BREAK INTO
135 9's
150 8's
170 7's
200 6's
Before anyone says anything MPH does vary from vehicle to setup. These numbers are just general areas that you will more than likely be in.
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I know you said these are general numbers, but didn't SW run a 9.99@150, if those are correct, why such a big variance?
At most events if you will notice the average MPH to ET for most cars it goes like this.
MPH TO BREAK INTO
135 9's
150 8's
170 7's
200 6's
Before anyone says anything MPH does vary from vehicle to setup. These numbers are just general areas that you will more than likely be in.
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I know you said these are general numbers, but didn't SW run a 9.99@150, if those are correct, why such a big variance?
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Re: 9s on the stock short block? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>
I know you said these are general numbers, but didn't SW run a 9.99@150, if those are correct, why such a big variance?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The high MPH generally means a traction or gearing problem for the best performance in the 1/4. These problems translate into high short times and a higher MPH than is needed for that ET. If I remeber watching SW make that run he was spinning in the short part of the track and made alot of speed on the far end of the track. If you will notice both the SAMS and Colonel ran around 136 mph.
Edit: Speaking of exceptions I was present at some testing for the BME dragster and if memory serves me correct he turned in a High 9 @ close to 30 MPH
<small>[ April 26, 2002, 03:00 PM: Message edited by: Tums ]</small>
I know you said these are general numbers, but didn't SW run a 9.99@150, if those are correct, why such a big variance?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The high MPH generally means a traction or gearing problem for the best performance in the 1/4. These problems translate into high short times and a higher MPH than is needed for that ET. If I remeber watching SW make that run he was spinning in the short part of the track and made alot of speed on the far end of the track. If you will notice both the SAMS and Colonel ran around 136 mph.
Edit: Speaking of exceptions I was present at some testing for the BME dragster and if memory serves me correct he turned in a High 9 @ close to 30 MPH
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Re: 9s on the stock short block? Ask me again at the end of the year if it can be done. I plan to try it also. I already have the head & cam in, & once I work that out, I plan have the car wideband tuned for a 150 shot. I figure to eventually get a 10.85 with the H&C. Will a 150 shot give me the 8 tenths that I need?
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Re: 9s on the stock short block? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Quickin:
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I know you said these are general numbers, but didn't SW run a 9.99@150, if those are correct, why such a big variance?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">SW runs a C5 with a 3.42 gear and he has to take it easy on the launch so he doesn't break the half-shafts. I believe SW has gone a 9.7 @ 147 mph! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> Driving a 6-speed into the 9's, the guy is a bad *** driver. <img border="0" alt="[Z06 Corvette]" title="" src="graemlins/z06.gif" />
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I know you said these are general numbers, but didn't SW run a 9.99@150, if those are correct, why such a big variance?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">SW runs a C5 with a 3.42 gear and he has to take it easy on the launch so he doesn't break the half-shafts. I believe SW has gone a 9.7 @ 147 mph! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> Driving a 6-speed into the 9's, the guy is a bad *** driver. <img border="0" alt="[Z06 Corvette]" title="" src="graemlins/z06.gif" />
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Re: 9s on the stock short block? The fastest stock short-block car I can remember ran 10.4's it was an A4 with H/C and a large shot of NOS. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
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Re: 9s on the stock short block? yes but daves n2o was 'technically' a 150 dry and 250 wet....thats A LOT! granted the 5177 wont flow over 125, the TNT wet was at least 250hp. the LEADED race gas he was using (I THINK) helped a bit.
also, math is math and racing is racing. 10.85-8 or 9 10ths is a 9.99 or so...but what is die in those 8 or 9 10ths? what will become the weak link at 10.5 when your rear is the weak link at 10.9...shortblock? octane? tires? etc????? dont expect to just throw it all together and run it....unless you have an overkill setup like mikey (427 SR, 350, 3.42's, 28" slicks, suspension, 150 shot or so...etc).
also, math is math and racing is racing. 10.85-8 or 9 10ths is a 9.99 or so...but what is die in those 8 or 9 10ths? what will become the weak link at 10.5 when your rear is the weak link at 10.9...shortblock? octane? tires? etc????? dont expect to just throw it all together and run it....unless you have an overkill setup like mikey (427 SR, 350, 3.42's, 28" slicks, suspension, 150 shot or so...etc).