Do you toss car into nuetral after the traps?
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th350 reverse manual valve body here. I just bump it once into 2nd gear usually which lets it spin like it's in neutral. I would slap it back into 3rd to engine brake if i was having trouble.
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350 and 400 should be left in gear,its not the oil flow its the overspeeding of the direct drum which goes twice engine rpm when neutraled.Ever seen one come thru the top of the case? I have and its from neutraling at the stripe.powerglide and stick is fine.
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there is really no good reason to put car in neutral,at the end of run,this has been an ongoing debate for over 30 yrs,people used to say it wears the ring,others would say it would heat the breaks if you didnt leave in gear, but the most important reason for not moving stick is safety , some people have on auto,s gone into reverse,and thats not pretty,ive seen 2 cars flip doing that through the years also some times car can stall if all of a sudden its put in nuetral,thats not good either most guys now have power steering and brakes,also nowadays with the loose converts most guys run their still using the brakes to slow dow more than engine,even the stick guys have no reason to push clutch in as there still using the breaks and the engine together, i dont think to many people are appling the brakes that hard that there slowing the engine at such a rate as to hurt the rings, look at taxi cabs that are constant 0-40-0for 1000000,s miles most of them dont have ring problems and they do it day in an day out ,yea some will say you not going to 100+ but they do 100,s of thousands more times just my 2cents
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From: Grove City Ohio/Port Washington L.I sometimes
When running the Z06 I put it in neutral and blip the throttle after going through the lights.I hit the brakes and slow down then downshift to 3rd and hit the return road.At tracks with a short shutdown I'm on the binders as soon as I go through the lights.I never really put much thought into it I just have always done it this way.
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Originally Posted by Nine Ball
Thats exactly what I do. Use 5th to slow the car down, its easier on the brakes.
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Originally Posted by glennster
350 and 400 should be left in gear,its not the oil flow its the overspeeding of the direct drum which goes twice engine rpm when neutraled.Ever seen one come thru the top of the case? I have and its from neutraling at the stripe.powerglide and stick is fine.
Turbo 400 here.
I have been told this by every trans guy I talk to.
Ken
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Originally Posted by NRC-Motorsports
there is really no good reason to put car in neutral,at the end of run
Originally Posted by NRC-Motorsports
some people have on auto,s gone into reverse
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Originally Posted by Outlaw
I really disagree with your statement here, yes for a factory car there is little reason to shift into neutral. But saying that there is no reason for a car to get put into neutral after a run really depends on the combo. When you have a race motor you need as little wear on the motor as possible. Allowing the motor/tranny to slow the car down is just going to break parts and wear your combo out fast on an all out race motor. I don’t know many if any all out drag cars that don’t shut the motors off and take the cars out of gear and coast off the track after a run. Now I understand that the combo in question is more then likely not this type of combo.. but to say there is no good reason to do such a thing is a farse if you ask me. Its as simple as this, show me one NHRA pro stock racer who does not kill the car and click it out of gear right after they cross the line. Its all about not hurting parts and if it’s a n2o combo, allowing a good plug read. Just my 2cents..
As for shifting the car into neutral, NHRA mandates at 9.99 or faster for the car to have a reverse lock out on the shifter to prevent this from happening.
As for shifting the car into neutral, NHRA mandates at 9.99 or faster for the car to have a reverse lock out on the shifter to prevent this from happening.
Last edited by NRC-Motorsports; 06-30-2004 at 07:33 PM.
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From your 1st statment you dont seem to say it matters what tranny is in the car, so a pro stock car is a stick, in your 1st post you dont seem to say it matters what tranny a person is running. Say what you want, putting my car in neutral at the end of my pass saves parts, killing the motor saves parts. You said there was no good reason for a car to do that, my point is that is not a valid statement. I understand that most cars on here are not full off race cars but wording things the way you did is saying that’s the way it is for all cars, and you know what, that’s just not true in my world. Im no newbie to the drag racing world and I like to think that I have some sort of clue on what to do and what not to do. I am just speaking from a high end full off race car side. With a full tilt race motor, you shut them off on the big end and remove the tranny from a loaded gear. No matter what tranny or motor combo.
Last edited by Outlaw; 06-30-2004 at 09:07 PM.
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Originally Posted by Outlaw
From your 1st statment you dont seem to say it matters what tranny is in the car, so a pro stock car is a stick, in your 1st post you dont seem to say it matters what tranny a person is running. Say what you want, putting my car in neutral at the end of my pass saves parts, killing the motor saves parts. You said there was no good reason for a car to do that, my point is that is not a valid statement. I understand that most cars on here are not full off race cars but wording things the way you did is saying that’s the way it is for all cars, and you know what, that’s just not true in my world. Im no newbie to the drag racing world and I like to think that I have some sort of clue on what to do and what not to do. I am just speaking from a high end full off race car side. With a full tilt race motor, you shut them off on the big end and remove the tranny from a loaded gear. No matter what tranny or motor combo.
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Originally Posted by Outlaw
From your 1st statment you dont seem to say it matters what tranny is in the car, so a pro stock car is a stick, in your 1st post you dont seem to say it matters what tranny a person is running. Say what you want, putting my car in neutral at the end of my pass saves parts, killing the motor saves parts. You said there was no good reason for a car to do that, my point is that is not a valid statement. I understand that most cars on here are not full off race cars but wording things the way you did is saying that’s the way it is for all cars, and you know what, that’s just not true in my world. Im no newbie to the drag racing world and I like to think that I have some sort of clue on what to do and what not to do. I am just speaking from a high end full off race car side. With a full tilt race motor, you shut them off on the big end and remove the tranny from a loaded gear. No matter what tranny or motor combo.
you feel it saves your engine,ive run many cars also through the last 30yrs including a 3400lb quick 8 car for 2yrs in the high 7,s low 8.s[it was an auto car] and stopped putting cars in nuetral back in the 70,s[as it was also a discussion back then and the engine guy felt it might save ring /bearing wear also]when one day i made 20+ low 10 sec. passes on a drum brake, stick,3900lb car,and finaly ran out of track,due to brake fade.Since then ,i leave all my cars in gear,and I have not had any ring,bearing,or rod problems due to leaving car in gear.nor have i run off a short track [ lol]
this debate will go on long as long as there is drag racing ,Maybe we need some engine builders to start a thread on the pro,s and cons of what they feel does or doesn,t happens to an engine under these conditions
Last edited by NRC-Motorsports; 07-01-2004 at 06:38 AM.
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Originally Posted by NRC-Motorsports
what i said was that" there really is no good reason to put car in nuetral and that this has been an on going debate for 30 yrs",ok let me rephrase this for you ,i should have put that even though in as long as drag racing has been around no one has really said putting a car in nuetral is good or bad for an engine[again i know this could start another debate,but i dont think all engine builders will agree or disagree with each other on this],But my post was more about the safety factor of someone moving the shifter,[esp. in an automatic car]and opening themselves up for a safety issue,because like i stated ive seen 2 cars go on the roof because the drivers tried to put car in nuetral and wound up in reverse or park[by thier own addmission]it can happen! bob
you feel it saves your engine,ive run many cars also through the last 30yrs including a 3400lb quick 8 car for 2yrs in the high 7,s low 8.s[it was an auto car] and stopped putting cars in nuetral back in the 70,s[as it was also a discussion back then and the engine guy felt it might save ring /bearing wear also]when one day i made 20+ low 10 sec. passes on a drum brake, stick,3900lb car,and finaly ran out of track,due to brake fade.Since then ,i leave all my cars in gear,and I have not had any ring,bearing,or rod problems due to leaving car in gear.nor have i run off a short track [ lol]
this debate will go on long as long as there is drag racing ,Maybe we need some engine builders to start a thread on the pro,s and cons of what they feel does or doesn,t happens to an engine under these conditions
you feel it saves your engine,ive run many cars also through the last 30yrs including a 3400lb quick 8 car for 2yrs in the high 7,s low 8.s[it was an auto car] and stopped putting cars in nuetral back in the 70,s[as it was also a discussion back then and the engine guy felt it might save ring /bearing wear also]when one day i made 20+ low 10 sec. passes on a drum brake, stick,3900lb car,and finaly ran out of track,due to brake fade.Since then ,i leave all my cars in gear,and I have not had any ring,bearing,or rod problems due to leaving car in gear.nor have i run off a short track [ lol]
this debate will go on long as long as there is drag racing ,Maybe we need some engine builders to start a thread on the pro,s and cons of what they feel does or doesn,t happens to an engine under these conditions
Now, If I were at Norwalk or another track that had a 1/2 mile shut down I may reconsider.
Saftey 1st