Andys Auto

[/QUOTE]PS I think your car is running fine I'm just trying to hype up the July 28th meet. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> [/QB][/QUOTE]

Stirring the pot.....again!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

Mark

JP98SS

Ghetto is great if it gets your car out of the shop within a reasonable amount of time...it's not like you need <img border="0" alt="[guns]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_guns.gif" /> to go there.

titanium barchetta

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Raughammer:
<strong>Congrats on the 11's!</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Especially at Carlsbad Raceway! <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

That track blows!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />

JP98SS

I'll put $100 on Rob's car spanking both of your asses! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

Terry Burger

iTrader: (4)

So I said $6500 and you came back with a very liberal $5600.

Scat makes a 3.75" stroke crank for ~$375, don't know about a 3.80". You also way underestimated the machine work and balance. With those cheap skat cranks it usually takes 2 slugs to balance so there's $250 alone, $350 for a line hone, deck, bore, etc, $200 for the offset grind, $300 in bearings and labor for the cam bearing install, etc. $140 for rings, $100 in gaskets, $50 for the oil pump, might as well throw an EWP on there while its apart right? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

Also I had assumed you were planning on running a camshaft in the motor. Figure $260 for a comp custom grind, $200 for the solid lifters, and $100 for pushrods. Also the port work on those 220's should be around $1100 but don't forget about $350 in valves and hardware for them.

Anyway it doesn't matter if you spent $7500 or $2500 I'm still going to wax you.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

Andys Auto

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Terry Burger:
<strong>So I said $6500 and you came back with a very liberal $5600.

Scat makes a 3.75" stroke crank for ~$375, don't know about a 3.80". You also way underestimated the machine work and balance. With those cheap skat cranks it usually takes 2 slugs to balance so there's $250 alone.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I am sure glad I'm not going where you are for balance work!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> Do some research Scat does offer a 3.800" cast steel crank and it dont cost 350 by itself, or if thats your price I hope your supplier enjoys his Audi S4 <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

Mark

<small>[ July 16, 2002, 12:58 PM: Message edited by: Andys Auto ]</small>

Andys Auto

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Terry Burger:
<strong>I'm still going to wax you.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">How much??

Mark

JP98SS

To be fair I think you should post the results of your fastest M6 Mike. Everybody knows that these autos with converters are alot faster. There are people with no motor work in the 11s with automatics.

gator's 99TA

iTrader: (2)

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">

I stand on my accomplishments, not by knocking my competitors.[/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I wish Terry Burger would have the class and respect you have demonstrated. It is a shame how he represents (on the net) your company and essentially speaks on your behalf by belittling other tuners out here. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" />

Linear Velocity

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Mike, first off not "knocking the competition" here. I was actually quite neutral to your shop but scores of local guys (including people who posted in this thread) said that your labor prices blow ($95 an hour! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> ) and you rip people off every chance you get, I won't go into detail because I'm lazy and don't give 2 ***** about your shop either way. Second, you didn't accomplish **** with Terry's car. I think Terry would be running 10.98 with anyone's stage II heads/cam (MTI, Cartek, GTP, etc.) The bottom line is your heads aren't anything special; they make good power on Terry's car but Terry himself has spent much more time on his setup than a lot of other people. I saw his car at dyno day, no A/c, no power steering, tiny electric water pump, dynabatt, etc. How many other fast MMS car's are out there, oh that's right, none. In short, Terry makes Terry's car fast, it's not MMS. And lastly, you may want to talk with Al on who he shares his information with <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

<small>[ July 17, 2002, 05:18 PM: Message edited by: SpeedDemonZ28 ]</small>

mjf454

Well i am happy with MMS. My car may not run 10s and i dont want it to, but i can drive to the track at 170+mph with the a/c on and still run 11s. I am sure if i told Mike i wanted to run 10.50 he could make it happen.Depends on what you want from your car. I sold a 9 sec 67 to help pay for this car, and i am happy with having a nice fast street car.Just my opinion.
PS. congrads on the new best. <img border="0" alt="[Burnout]" title="" src="graemlins/burnout.gif" />

<small>[ July 17, 2002, 07:32 PM: Message edited by: mjf454 ]</small>

Morgan Motorsports Sales Dept.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by SpeedDemonZ28:
<strong>Mike, first off not "knocking the competition" here. I was actually quite neutral to your shop but scores of local guys (including people who posted in this thread) said that your labor prices blow ($95 an hour! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> ) and you rip people off every chance you get, I won't go into detail because I'm lazy and don't give 2 ***** about your shop either way. Second, you didn't accomplish **** with Terry's car. I think Terry would be running 10.98 with anyone's stage II heads/cam (MTI, Cartek, GTP, etc.) The bottom line is your heads aren't anything special; they make good power on Terry's car but Terry himself has spent much more time on his setup than a lot of other people. I saw his car at dyno day, no A/c, no power steering, tiny electric water pump, dynabatt, etc. How many other fast MMS car's are out there, oh that's right, none. In short, Terry makes Terry's car fast, it's not MMS. And lastly, you may want to talk with Al on who he shares his information with <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">If you don't give "2 *****" about our company then why this "Coming Soon: Andy's Auto Performance "Team Eat" Stage II Heads. All the MMS power without blowing a motor "

If you are all proud of your set up fine, but this is very derogatory. Once again you are talking out of your ***. So keep your libelous comments to yourself.

I give Terry credit for getting his car into the 10's. But I give MMS credit for the power he makes. Those are two different issues. MPH is an indicator of HP (what was your MPH), ET's are an indicator of cars setup. We did what you've managed to do over two years ago. Come to think of it I have another customer running 11.4's @ 121 w/ a our heads and a 219 cam that is over two years old.

I really don't know what the point is about our heads not being special, but he does run 10's and he does have our package. There is only one other 10 sec h/c car on the west coast and he runs our cam.

Just like everyone always told Terry, spend more time on your own car and less time talking **** about other shops! I couldn't agree more.

Mike Morgan

Mike Morgan

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by JP98SS:
<strong>To be fair I think you should post the results of your fastest M6 Mike. Everybody knows that these autos with converters are alot faster. There are people with no motor work in the 11s with automatics.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">And there are customers running just our cam running 11's with a 6spd. That isn't the point. I respect what every other shop does. But, I don't respect the tactics he uses to gain recognition.

Mike Morgan

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by SpeedDemonZ28:
<strong>...Damn, here I thought that 54 people had congratulated me on my times <img border="0" title="" alt="[Embarrassed]" src="gr_emb.gif" /> Well there were a couple of "other factors" besides my 60' you should look at Terry, first I don't have shift light and I was hitting the rev limiter. I think (not sure though <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> )that hitting the rev limiter in 1st and somtimes 2nd would affect both my Et and my MPH, added that it was a really hot humid day, and that I have no tuning, I could feel the motor pulling timing at WOT in 3rd, this is another reason why I didn't run as well as I could. Oh and this was done with practically full race weight, passenger seat and spare removed with heavy *** stock chrome rims in front <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> Terry, Mark's owns his whole shop and doesn't need to pay for labor, and get's almost all his stuff for cost or less, it's very hard to price compare, you're a software technician that helped Mike Morgan write his custom tuning program, sure you get kick backs but I know that Mike makes everyone pay in the end!!</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I pretty much chuckle at most of these posts. But don't think you know what and how I do things. Don't insult me by saying that I had any help with my PCM tuning development. That's just plain talking out of your ***!!!

BTW your times are respectable, but 11.8 is a looong way from 10.90's

I stand on my accomplishments, not by knocking my competitors.