Stefan D.

Hey BOB!

1) Race for mostly money in the street.
2) Class Race--YES--NMCA EFI B 5714
3) Race for ET? whats that

No ones beneath me just people that make those kind of statements. And as for the LS-1 its been to the track on BFGs and has gone 11.60s. This car sees most of its duty in the road and doesnt go to the track unless it has to. Thanks for the laughs and by the way we will be at the NMCA at virginia next season so maybe we could get something on for a little bit of money <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> . Whatever you want to try your luck in LT-1, LS-1 or even a 5.0 because I didnt mention I have one of those two that I drive for a friend of mind. Oh and no website for me. WHOS THE INTERNET RACER???????
Hey good luck next season with that GIRLS car <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
Talk to you soon and keep warm!!!!!

Stefan D.

No internet racer here. Just giving you the facts. Both cars I can assure you run better than 11.85 on motor,on BFGs and better than 112. What a joke. I cant belive im replying to this in between going over my 9 second timeslips from my LT-1 <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> . But Bob dont get upset its just the truth 4.6s and 5.4s suck. Go buy a 5.0 and get rid of that girls car <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" /> !!!!!!!!!

Stefan D.
1993 Trans AM
11.20 122 NA
9.70 139 NOS

TanRchy

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Jahel'98COBRA:
<strong>"I'd bet my money on Bob in that race "

No, the 2003 COBRA owners will keep the blower belt on and let you read their rear plates as they accelerate past you with 613 rwHP of blue oval pride, regardless of whether or not you are spraying. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" /> And you can spray all you want all day long, but at the end of the day, the 2003's will still be ahead, and our forged short blocks will still be in one piece. I wish I could say the same about your unforged motor after a long day of successive N2O hits. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Mustangs blow my *******. Congrats Ford actually came out with a car that has some *****. so go buy one and stop stroking the '03 cobras *****.

Bob Cosby

LOL. Obviously we're going nowhere but down trading insults, so I'll cry 'uncle' on this one, and let you have your day in the sun. Just one thing...

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">WHOS THE INTERNET RACER???????</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Got credentials?

Good day. <img border="0" alt="[Fluffy]" title="" src="graemlins/fluffy.gif" />

<small>[ October 17, 2002, 05:18 AM: Message edited by: Bob Cosby ]</small>

RaNsOm

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Jahel'98COBRA:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by bigSS:
<strong>Great, I spend a grand and get 330rwhp, they spent a grand and they get 500rwhp.
<img border="0" alt="[guns]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_guns.gif" /> Cobra</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Not necessarily. Spend a grand on an 150 shot N2O setup with all the safety bells and whistles, and you will see in excess of 400 rwHP and 500 rwTQ easily. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">and then after your rear is torn in half, you can go spend $2000 on a 12-bolt <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> Gm's biggest mistake was mating Chevy's most power engine with the weakest rear in the NATION <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="gr_images/icons/mad.gif" />

JoSeY

Ya'll are right...there's nothing in the "IF's and Coulda" dept. GM's LS1 Aluminum block is weak...but there's a 6.0L Iron block direct replacement...so no worries.

I've run NUMEROUS bottles thru my LS1 and at 80K miles it's still running strong as hell w/no oil consumption, smoke etc.

I run 28x10.5x15" Et Drags on THE STOCK 10bolt rear with 323's and haven't broke it.. :shrug:

I want to see all these big bad pre 03' N/A SlowBra's cause I sure as hell haven't seen any that run 11.8-12.2 w/minor bolt-ons....

Face it..it took Ford 10yrs damn near to get a motor w/***** and they had to let SVT make the damn thing AND USE a HUFFER to make the power...I'm really f*ckin impressed there. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> Don't get me wrong, the 03' is a serious car w/a serious motor...but being impressed by a fully built 8cyl blown motor making 600rwhp isn't something I am. When those motors start making 900rwhp w/out having to take the heads off and lasting then I'll be impressed...till then I look at the 03's as exactly what it is...an underachieving fully forged and built motor that Ford had to use to play catch up to GM and Dodge.

Bob Cosby

LOL. As previously stated...we all have our opinions. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I want to see all these big bad pre 03' N/A SlowBra's cause I sure as hell haven't seen any that run 11.8-12.2 w/minor bolt-ons....</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Where do you live/race? Your 'location' block says "between a couple blondes", which doesn't help much. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> I'll be at VMP in Petersburg, Va tomorrow night with my n/a SlowBra. I'm looking to run a bit quicker than 11.85...traction and breakage willing. But I don't suppose you're from my area?

Nine Ball

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You guys ragging on the weak POS 10-bolts could easily be replied with. How about the weak T45 5-speed in the pre-03 Cobras? I think Bob has broken as many trannys as I have stock rears, and I was running low 11s before I broke my first one LOL.

At least they use the T56 now, thats nice!

The '03 Cobras are nice looking and have great potential, but not "$35K nice" to me. If they were $28K, that would be a better deal IMHO.

-Tony

JoSeY

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Bob Cosby:
<strong>LOL. As previously stated...we all have our opinions. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I want to see all these big bad pre 03' N/A SlowBra's cause I sure as hell haven't seen any that run 11.8-12.2 w/minor bolt-ons....</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Where do you live/race? Your 'location' block says "between a couple blondes", which doesn't help much. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> I'll be at VMP in Petersburg, Va tomorrow night with my n/a SlowBra. I'm looking to run a bit quicker than 11.85...traction and breakage willing. But I don't suppose you're from my area?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Sorry...I'm from down south..Houston...
I'll be at the Thunder Shootout...I'm not sure if that is an all GM event but if it isn't and you come I'll line up.. Oh...and I bet your N/A pre-03 has a lot more than "Bolt-ons".....I've got less than 1700 in mods on an 80K mile motor and run low low 11's alll day long...what bout you?

Bob Cosby

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I think Bob has broken as many trannys as I have stock rears, and I was running low 11s before I broke my first one LOL.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">LOL. Probably. Last year I ate input shafts like they were pretzels. I think (errr...hope) I have that problem fixed now. I am one of the few that actually like the T45. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

Thunder Shootout is all GM, and my son has a martial arts tourny that weekend anyways, so I'm gonna have to miss it. Besides that...Louisiana is quite a hike!

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Oh...and I bet your N/A pre-03 has a lot more than "Bolt-ons".....</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Oh contrare. No BS here. No smack talk. No sarcasm. No flames. Just some facts...

100% stock motor from TB (its stock) to oil pan (ditto). No porting, no cams (aftermarket or modified, that is), no intake, no nuthin. Sounds like your post, eh? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> What I do have is the following...

8.8 rear w/4.56 gears
JBA Shorty headers
Dr Gas X-pipe
Magnaflow catback
March Pullies
Densecharger CAI
Ported stock mass-air meter
Computer chip
HPM Upper/lower control arms
Centerline rims
Weight savings: Cloth V6 seats, rear seat delete, no front sway bar

My mods look pretty close to yours, do you not agree?

I ran 11.85 a year ago @ 3325 lbs on BFG DR's with stock control arms and w/o the computer chip.
Tomorrow, I'll be about 80 lbs lighter, will have about 10 more HP (across the powerband), and will be on slicks vice DR's. I might not run worth a damn - racing is like that sometimes. But with luck, I hope to get to within about a tenth of 01-Z's current best ET (can't hope to come close to his MPH).

What in that list does not constitute a 'bolt-on'? Notice too that the car is far from optimized. Because of NMRA class rules, I can't have real headers, I can't have an aftermarket MAF meter, I can't have an aftermarket TB, I can't have a tubular K-member. I'm not complaining or making excuses, as I really enjoy class racing, but the car is not optimized for internet ETs.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I've got less than 1700 in mods on an 80K mile motor and run low low 11's alll day long...what bout you?</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I've never added up the mods in my car. I suppose if I went and bought it all new, it would be probably double $1700. Also, I don't have 80k miles on mine...only 56k. You got me whooped there. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

What would my car run with the bottle - like yours? Haven't a clue, and won't find out. To each their own, I'm just not a big fan of N2O.

FYI...my best 1/8th mile is 7.54 @ 91.55 on DR's.

<img border="0" alt="[Fluffy]" title="" src="graemlins/fluffy.gif" />

Jahel'98COBRA

Originally posted by TanRchy:
Mustangs blow my *******.

With 16 PSI worth of power coming out the tailpipes, they should. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

Originally posted by TanRchy:
Congrats Ford actually came out with a car that has some *****. so go buy one and stop stroking the '03 cobras *****.

No need to: I already drive a blown COBRA....and the blower can support well up to 20 PSI and still mantain adiabatic efficiency; try cutting and pasting this link into your browser:http://images.ofoto.com/photos115/1/...7103_0_ALB.jpg Have a nice day. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

You guys need to keep my original post in perspective before getting your undies all tied up in a wad. I didn't come here to start a flame war. I made a comparison between an aftermarket 2003 COBRA and an aftermarket LS-1, stating that the two offered similar bang for the buck, and never claimed that one was better than the other:

1.) 2003 COBRA + Kenne Belle Blower = ~45,000 > 613 rwHP, 600 rwTQ
2.) 2002 F-Body + 422 ci conversion = ~45,000 > 550 rwHP, 550 rwTQ

Before spouting your manhood behind the keyboard, take the time to reread my first post. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

<small>[ October 17, 2002, 05:48 PM: Message edited by: Jahel'98COBRA ]</small>

JoSeY

Bob: Sweet numbers man no doubt...If I could find a way to get my pig 3700lbs down to 3350 like your's I could probably do 11.5's w/current mods...I dunno how the hell to shave off several hundred lbs tho... :-\

Bob Cosby

Thank you.

I know what you mean by weight - my 99 T/A was 3660 lbs with me in the drivers seat. That said, this place seems to be the weight-loss mecca of the internet ET world. I'm sure you can lose a few hundreds lbs pretty easy.

Good luck to ya.
Bob

<small>[ October 17, 2002, 06:45 PM: Message edited by: Bob Cosby ]</small>

cantdrv65

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Jahel'98COBRA:
[QB
No need to: I already drive a blown COBRA....and the blower can support well up to 20 PSI and still mantain adiabatic efficiency; try cutting and pasting this link into your browser:http://images.ofoto.com/photos115/1/...7103_0_ALB.jpg Have a nice day. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

You guys need to keep my original post in perspective before getting your undies all tied up in a wad. I didn't come here to start a flame war. I made a comparison between an aftermarket 2003 COBRA and an aftermarket LS-1, stating that the two offered similar bang for the buck, and never claimed that one was better than the other:

1.) 2003 COBRA + Kenne Belle Blower = ~45,000 > 613 rwHP, 600 rwTQ
2.) 2002 F-Body + 422 ci conversion = ~45,000 > 550 rwHP, 550 rwTQ

Before spouting your manhood behind the keyboard, take the time to reread my first post. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> [/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That's all great, but I do not think this is much of a comparo. Why limit the 422 to NA??? For less than a grand total it would make MUCH more horsepower than the Kenne Bell Cobra.... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> Potential wise though, who knows, I personally believe the sky could be the limit with the new cobra motor. I think the first TURBO kit for one of these bad boys may answer that question. We already know the LS1 which is not designed for boost, lifts heads at high boost. A 422 has made in excess of 800rwhp on the bottle. The modular motor has shown to stand up to alot of boost. Let the games continue. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

BLU-BY-U

my Z06 ain't got no weight problems....tipping in at 3050lbs 1/8 tank, no driver <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

but it does have a fuging possesed clutch <img border="0" alt="[Banging Head]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_banghead.gif" />

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

Jahel'98COBRA

Jeff,

Congrats. on your new best. When did you run that time, and is your car still showroom stock?

BLU-BY-U

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Jahel'98COBRA:
<strong>Jeff,

Congrats. on your new best. When did you run that time, and is your car still showroom stock?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thanks Jahel.

No, I had to resort to mods <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

1)magnaflow xpipe with stock cats (doubt this adds any power, did it eliminate some hideous design flaw in the stock hpipe that rattled)

2)k&n tie wrapped to open airbox

3)S2 throttle body

4)275/40 BFG DR's

I ran it last Wed (10-16-02). Temp 65. DA +700 ft.

I think it'll run 11.7's at 119 "as is" in some better 50 degree weather. But, I'm not sure how long I'll stay as is.....I've got a nice set of long tubes sitting in my closet. I was waiting to install until I cracked the 11's.

Mission accomplished <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

Nine Ball

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Why are we comparing a 422ci all-motor setup to a supercharged setup? It would be much cheaper to build a built 346ci setup and stick a ton of nitrous or boost on it and make well over 600 rwhp.

How about some NA vs NA and some Power Adder vs Power Adder street car setups? Not those million dollar mega-buck setups found on drag cars only.

Does that Kenne Bell blower kit, with its original pulley, still have a warranty? The MTI 422ci package has a 2-year, 24K mile warranty.

-Tony