RAGEman

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WeatherGuy,

You bring out a great point, and I do not disagree with you at all. As I said before, though, my desire to go fast overrides my desires to be a good boy. <img border="0" alt="[angel]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_angel.gif" />

I mean, I don't have any kids (yet), but I do have a girlfriend whom I love more than anyone or anything on the whole planet Earth, and believe me, I would die before I would knowingly cause her any pain. I just don't think it's as big of a risk as you do, I guess. That said, please understand that as soon as the funding is there, the chromoly 6-pt. weld-in will be installed!!! But, until then, I'm afraid I'll have to be a bad, bad boy. <img border="0" alt="[devil]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_devil.gif" />

RAGEman

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YES!!! We avoided a huge argument!!!!! ALL RIGHT!!!!!!!! There is hope for the world!!!

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Pro Stock John

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Here in Chicago, I can race at:

RT66 NHRA
GLD IHRA
Byron IHRA
US41 Outlaw for 2002

Of all those tracks, only US41 is laidback about the rollbar issue.

I think IHRA rules for rollcages are fine.

I think anyone in the 10's should run a cage.

I have three friends who have crashed bad enuff that the cages saved their lives, but all the cars were in the 9's.

Track owners are people too, and they pay a lot in insurance. So don't bug them about the rules, it's how it works. I have a number of track owner friends and how do you think it feels to have a track fatality?

BADZ

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Please now you guy's, I'm sure everyone here understands why Safety comes first!!! My lil ol post meant nothing but a joke so please have a bit of humor o.k. I will be having MADMAN put mine in soon and will follow all safety rules and regulations and have a GREAT TIME doing it at the track!!!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

You guy's just make me wonder sometimes!!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> Geeeesh

<small>[ October 18, 2002, 09:21 PM: Message edited by: BADZ ]</small>

Terry'sToy

The rules were developed over many years of racing to protect us and the other car/driver beside us. It seems that some of us don't mind spending the money to go fast, but then suddenly don't want to spend the money to be safe. For those that don't want to follow the safety rules, if you crash and get hurt, don't expect anyone to feel sorry for you. Don't forget we are usually not on the track alone. Hopefully the driver in the other lane is following all the safety rules. I love racing, but can't stand people who want to jeopardize other peoples safety.

RAGEman

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Terry'sToy:
<strong>The rules were developed over many years of racing to protect us and the other car/driver beside us. It seems that some of us don't mind spending the money to go fast, but then suddenly don't want to spend the money to be safe. For those that don't want to follow the safety rules, if you crash and get hurt, don't expect anyone to feel sorry for you. Don't forget we are usually not on the track alone. Hopefully the driver in the other lane is following all the safety rules. I love racing, but can't stand people who want to jeopardize other peoples safety.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Criminy! Okay, just by show of hands, who all in here knows how to read?

<raises hand>

MARKSZ71

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just move to alabama colonel and the rest of us have no problems down here. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

Ken95Z28

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I agree with some of the statements here but the ET rule should stand.
Have you ever seen a 9-second pass and trapping only about 110mph? I have seen plenty of dragsters and pro-comp cars do this. True they have had problems going down the track, but hey still a good pass.

Point being is they had to draw the line somewhere. Our track even though it's IHRA sactioned still inforces the 11.99 rule.

Lane

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Man, Ennis on SLP day was giving me a hard time for 12.0x's... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

JS12

i can RAGE. i am NOT trying to bend any rules i just dont have a cage right now(just incase you are talking to me). i do agree with the rule. i also think that just because you dont have a cage doesnt mean you cant run some full out passes.

<small>[ October 19, 2002, 05:28 AM: Message edited by: JS12 ]</small>

ROB'S SS

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by RAGEman:
<strong> And by the way, who are you to say it WILL happen? I understand completely that no one is invincible and that it COULD happen, but I somehow don't think it WILL happen to everyone. Call me crazy.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">have you ever heard of something called the law of averages? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

Tom the roofer

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by ROB'S SS:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by RAGEman:
<strong> And by the way, who are you to say it WILL happen? I understand completely that no one is invincible and that it COULD happen, but I somehow don't think it WILL happen to everyone. Call me crazy.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">have you ever heard of something called the law of averages? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">How about Murphy's law? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

Tom the roofer

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Murphy's Law is:

If something bad CAN happen, it probably WILL happen. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

RAGEman

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Tom the roofer:
<strong>Murphy's Law is:

If something bad CAN happen, it probably WILL happen. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah, that pretty much sums up my life. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> Not really so much anymore, though. But, just to be on the safe side, maybe I should get a cage before I run again......Nah.

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STMPDUST

nhra states that you can run 12.00 and up to 134.99 mph with out a roll bar, so there is a speed limit also for a roll bar

Tom the roofer

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by RAGEman:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Tom the roofer:
<strong>Murphy's Law is:

If something bad CAN happen, it probably WILL happen. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah, that pretty much sums up my life. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> Not really so much anymore, though. But, just to be on the safe side, maybe I should get a cage before I run again......Nah.

<img border="0" alt="[devil]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_devil.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Fluffy]" title="" src="graemlins/fluffy.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">LMAO <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

Malicious

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Jus this last year a 9 second camaro blew a rear tire and plowed into the wall and flipped a few times. The paramedics guessed he was probably fine after the wreck, but the NOS explosion killed him <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" />
TIR locally is an IHRA track but they still **** and moan about 11.99 and faster w/out a cage, cept for a certain few cars, namely a pretty red 93 cobra that keeps going faster and faster and faster. But now that he's sponsored he's getting a cage <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

RAGEman

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Tom the roofer:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by ROB'S SS:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by RAGEman:
<strong> And by the way, who are you to say it WILL happen? I understand completely that no one is invincible and that it COULD happen, but I somehow don't think it WILL happen to everyone. Call me crazy.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">have you ever heard of something called the law of averages? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">How about Murphy's law? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No, but I have heard of Newton's law (I have no idea what this has to do with the topic, but it's fun!). <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

Pro Stock John

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by JS12:
<strong>I also think that just because you dont have a cage doesnt mean you cant run some full out passes.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I forwarded this comment to a track owner buddy of mine.

He suggested that you spend $10 million dollars and buy his track and spent $600K a year in IHRA insurance and then think about your comment. If you car ends up on the roof a 6 pt roll bar can potentially save you from being decapitated. I have friends who got to see what a decapitated body looks like when a 1000 hp streetrace car went sideways and was bisected went it hit a telephone poll at top speed.

Now I don't think NHRA should be 11.99 I think it can be lower than that. But that is must my opinion. I am entirely fine with the IHRA structure.

Fab your own bolt-in cage and bolt it in once in a while.

I understand your wish list, in my perfect world I win the lottery and women are topless.

RAGEman

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PSJ, tell me honestly. Let's say you had your car setup just the way you wanted. But money was not as fluent nor abundant as you'd like it to be. You're telling me that during the weeks/months you were saving for a cage, you would let horror stories of scary wrecks keep you on the sidelines until the money was saved? Or would you have done a cage before anything else or what? I don't have to have seen the carnage first-hand (nor do I want to) to know that it's horrible, and something I don't want to ever go through. But, I've spent my fair time at the track, and the odds are, whether you can admit it or not, that it WON'T HAPPEN. AGAIN, please note, I did not say it absolutely will never happen to me. But, the odds are well on my side. I just believe it's a risk worth taking for the time being, against the rules though it may be. That said, let me just say that I do understand your view completely, however. It's all a matter of how you judge the amount of risk involved and how much risk you're willing to take. For example, why do you feel the rule could be quicker than 11.99? Because you don't think people that run 11.99 are facing as much risk? Why not just make EVERYONE have a cage because even a 14-second car (@ 90 MPH or so) could hit a spot of oil, slide into the wall and flip the car numerous times, turning the car into scrap metal and the driver's body into a bloody smear. I'm not saying cages aren't a GREAT idea, because they are a wonderful precaution, and I agree with the rule completely. I just simply can't afford one at the time, and I'm going to continue to take the risk until I can.

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