Hey guy's the last I heard you did not need to use the clutch when up shifting a jerico trans road race or other wise correct me if I'm wrong.PSJ do you really think that SAM would go faster with a auto trans?There's a big difference between leaving at 4500 on a brake and dumping a clutch at 7000 just my .02.Take 100 pounds out of MIKEY'S car and and they run the same times a little more impressive with a th350 don't you think?

 

I have heard that if the RPMS are high enough that you dont need the clutch on a manual you can just rip it to shift. Honestly though its a huge risk, to much is on the line and when you miss that shift you lost the race.

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by sited12:
<strong>I have heard that if the RPMS are high enough that you dont need the clutch on a manual you can just rip it to shift. Honestly though its a huge risk, to much is on the line and when you miss that shift you lost the race.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No clutch needed to shift a Jericho. These trannies are worth 0.2 minimum over an auto. Basically, you are putting more power to the pavement and not sacrificing shift times as you do with a normal clutch tranny (T-56). Kind of the best of both worlds.

 

Mikey the world is just waiting for you to run a little bit faster and then there won't be any BS left to talk about 9.72@139mph 3340pounds with a th350 would be nice and well within your grasp SHOW THEM THE WAY!!

 

I see about the trans. My dad built a car for his friend that had a TH400 with a clutch. Would launch it like a stick but didnt need the clutch after that. Seems like an awesome set up and i am really interested in the TH400 with a clutch due to cost but my dad said it was a piece of junk but it backed 900 HP before they put the glide in it so it cant be that bad of a piece

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by mikey:
<strong>
You missed the whole point of the W non W thing. I spent 4 months tuning my suspension with the W tire to get low 1.3x 60' times. It was not an easy task to keep the front down while still transfering the weight. I learned alot. I was not willing to spend any more time or money to run a 10.5 tire, tow a 30' trailer 1200 miles for one race. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">hmmm.. I don't understand this either... I'm not a hardcore racer... I'm still learning, I even had to ask what a "W" tire is...

So what's the big deal about running a wide tire? Because the fender had to be opened a little? Big deal, I've read articles of people doing this themselves in the garage.. so it's just another mod... Seems to me that if "W" tires will be restricted then ET Drags should be as well? or any non-Dot tire ?

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Joe Kizzire:
<strong>Ask your lapdog Java what the answer was to the price of the trans in the Sam car.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Joe keep my name out of your posts and your insults to yourself ... I am tired of this crap, you obviously have your feed dish filled by SAM so your opinion is tainted.

 

Joe Kizzire ha! Your a **** buddy if you don't think a jericho is a big advantage your smokin some good ****>You compare tire BS to a jericho you need to pull your head out of your ***.Put a automatic in SAMs car and watch it loose atleast a tenth.Next you will be saying lenco's are ok.Production tranny's not race tranny's ballwash!!

 

It is a Jerico road race transmission that requires the use of the clutch, not a planetary drag race "clutchless" deal, so no real advantage there. Fully syncro'd for up and downshifts. It could maybe go faster with an auto, but that wouldn't be as fun. The stock 6-speed kept breaking so we had to do something. The Jerico was cheaper in the long run and less expensive than a trick auto with a transbrake. Just my two cents.

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by java:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Joe Kizzire:
<strong>Ask your lapdog Java what the answer was to the price of the trans in the Sam car.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Joe keep my name out of your posts and your insults to yourself ... I am tired of this crap, you obviously have your feed dish filled by SAM so your opinion is tainted.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Java if you would decide which face your going to wear I would not be so tough on you. <img border="0" alt="[kaboom]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_bomb.gif" />

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by P.S.T.:
<strong>It is a Jerico road race transmission that requires the use of the clutch, not a planetary drag race "clutchless" deal, so no real advantage there. Fully syncro'd for up and downshifts. It could maybe go faster with an auto, but that wouldn't be as fun. The stock 6-speed kept breaking so we had to do something. The Jerico was cheaper in the long run and less expensive than a trick auto with a transbrake. Just my two cents.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The trans is really not the point... They (the people bitching about the trans) do not want the SAM car at the race because they haven't figured out how to outrun it!!!! They (the people organizing the race) can say what they want and give all kinds of reasons for excluding the trans but that is the bottom line. That's the point of the rule.

Again if you can run a powerglide with a aftermarket bellhousing, case, tail housing, input shaft, gearset, converter and valvebody why in the hell can't you run a aftermarket
clutchtype Jerico???

Again all this rule is is the "Judson we can't outrun you so we'll outlaw you" rule.

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by BaddMood:
<strong>Joe Kizzire ha! Your a **** buddy if you don't think a jericho is a big advantage your smokin some good ****>You compare tire BS to a jericho you need to pull your head out of your ***.Put a automatic in SAMs car and watch it loose atleast a tenth.Next you will be saying lenco's are ok.Production tranny's not race tranny's ballwash!!</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Since you're a rocket surgeon I know you can read so please read the above post. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

 

I don't see anything wrong with running ANY type of transmission.

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Joe Kizzire:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by P.S.T.:
<strong>It is a Jerico road race transmission that requires the use of the clutch, not a planetary drag race "clutchless" deal, so no real advantage there. Fully syncro'd for up and downshifts. It could maybe go faster with an auto, but that wouldn't be as fun. The stock 6-speed kept breaking so we had to do something. The Jerico was cheaper in the long run and less expensive than a trick auto with a transbrake. Just my two cents.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The trans is really not the point... They (the people bitching about the trans) do not want the SAM car at the race because they haven't figured out how to outrun it!!!! They (the people organizing the race) can say what they want and give all kinds of reasons for excluding the trans but that is the bottom line. That's the point of the rule.

Again if you can run a powerglide with a aftermarket bellhousing, case, tail housing, input shaft, gearset, converter and valvebody why in the hell can't you run a aftermarket
clutchtype Jerico???

Again all this rule is is the "Judson we can't outrun you so we'll outlaw you" rule.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ummm, excuse me? I didn't bring up the trans as a point of contention in this post, you did. I brought it up before because I consider it silly to outlaw a W tire and allow a race transmission. I anything goes, than anything goes... But it seems that you needed to write the rules around the SAM car so you allowed a race trans that no one else uses but outlawed silly things such as a tire because you said it was too difficult to fit into a wheel well. When I pointed out how simple it was, you changed your story. You don't think it is obvious?

In THIS post, I was talking about weight. Again, what do you think my car would run with a custom sheet metal intake (I run an un-modified LS6), the same Jericho that SAM uses, and at the same weight? Probably very similar numbers.

Again, with the resources they have to throw at that car, they should be the quickest. No one else that I know of has a pit crew of ~20 students and a complete set of spare parts on the trailer. It's kind of like going to Maple Grove and competing with John Force.

Why don't you allow the W tire next year, I'll show up and you and SAM can humiliate me? Sounds simple enough to me. I think it would be fun to line up against the Hugger SS. I still be sportin' my same motor and trans.

 

Enough with the Judson bashing, Judson is the ONLY participant who will lend you his spare parts so that others can compete, this is a dead end conversation that's only getting more pointless.

 

I agree. If you want to run a Lenco thats your thing. No one gives **** to Colonel about his C5R. If we can run the best of the best engine then why not the transmission. The main thing is that it is LS1 base powered and on stock suspension which SAM has. Plus its great for the people with A4 because both cars are 4 speeds. Sure they can launch harder but just add .2 to the ET and your there with the A4 which is still an awesome engine set up.