Son of Sam Camaro
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Son of Sam Camaro Does anyone know where i can find some info on it. It is a stock motor camaro that runs 10s. I guess they built the set up and the rebuilt it a few times until they couldnt make it any faster. My friend was telling me about it and said i should do some research on it. Well this is were im starting. Let me know if you know or have even heard about this car.
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Re: Son of Sam Camaro I think you are talking about the Son of Sam camaro or as most of us say "The Sam Car"...
Go to samracing.com... I think you will find what you need...
The Sam car is probably the quickest naturally asperaited LS1 in the country.
Go to samracing.com... I think you will find what you need...
The Sam car is probably the quickest naturally asperaited LS1 in the country.
Re: Son of Sam Camaro </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Joe Kizzire:
<strong>I think you are talking about the Son of Sam camaro or as most of us say "The Sam Car"...
Go to samracing.com... I think you will find what you need...
The Sam car is probably the quickest naturally asperaited LS1 in the country.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">What does the SAM car weigh? I just went 9.841 @ 137.41 at a race weight of 3340lbs! and with my little TH-350. What do you think the car would run at 3200lbs or even 2900lbs?
And Joe...I don't believe in stripping a car either. Front bumper brace still there, power windows, locks, antenna, radio, speakers, drive air bag, console, carpet...all still there and functional.
All this is done on a limited budget and with a killer Agostino Racing Engine that hasn't skipped a beat all season. Hell, it still has the same spark plugs in it from June.
Mikey
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<strong>I think you are talking about the Son of Sam camaro or as most of us say "The Sam Car"...
Go to samracing.com... I think you will find what you need...
The Sam car is probably the quickest naturally asperaited LS1 in the country.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">What does the SAM car weigh? I just went 9.841 @ 137.41 at a race weight of 3340lbs! and with my little TH-350. What do you think the car would run at 3200lbs or even 2900lbs?
And Joe...I don't believe in stripping a car either. Front bumper brace still there, power windows, locks, antenna, radio, speakers, drive air bag, console, carpet...all still there and functional.
All this is done on a limited budget and with a killer Agostino Racing Engine that hasn't skipped a beat all season. Hell, it still has the same spark plugs in it from June.
Mikey
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Re: Son of Sam Camaro Well Mikey the Sam car weighed 3252 when it ran the 9.74@139.22 on true 10.5 inch tires and a DA of +510ft and that is documented in the Thunder Shootout records. The car was inspected for nitrous also.
Mikey what is your hangup with the Jerico trans in the Sam car??? You keep talking about the limited budget you race on hell if you can't afford to race stay at home and quit making excuses. Mikey I did everything to appease you and you still would not come to the Thunder Shootout... Hell Tom the roofer even offered to loan you a set of 10.5 inch tires.
Ask your lapdog Java what the answer was to the price of the trans in the Sam car.
I guess we could always come up with a claimer race like they do at the circle track races Mikey... Maybe then you wouldn't feel so bad.
Mikey what is your hangup with the Jerico trans in the Sam car??? You keep talking about the limited budget you race on hell if you can't afford to race stay at home and quit making excuses. Mikey I did everything to appease you and you still would not come to the Thunder Shootout... Hell Tom the roofer even offered to loan you a set of 10.5 inch tires.
Ask your lapdog Java what the answer was to the price of the trans in the Sam car.
I guess we could always come up with a claimer race like they do at the circle track races Mikey... Maybe then you wouldn't feel so bad.
Re: Son of Sam Camaro Man I would love to be able to get a SOLID roller superstroker on a limited budget <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[whiner]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cry.gif" />
I love the excuses some come up with, fact is that your slower so deal with it and find a way to go faster
LAter <img border="0" alt="[Banging Head]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_banghead.gif" />
I love the excuses some come up with, fact is that your slower so deal with it and find a way to go faster
LAter <img border="0" alt="[Banging Head]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_banghead.gif" />
Re: Son of Sam Camaro No hangup Joe, just that with the amount of people and money SAM can through at that car, he should be the quickest. Why aren't they in the 8's yet?
How about if you and the SAM car drive all the way up to PA next time to race and I make the rules for production trannys only. Would you switch and spend the time to re-tune the combination for one race?
You missed the whole point of the W non W thing. I spent 4 months tuning my suspension with the W tire to get low 1.3x 60' times. It was not an easy task to keep the front down while still transfering the weight. I learned alot. I was not willing to spend any more time or money to run a 10.5 tire, tow a 30' trailer 1200 miles for one race. I just did not have the time. Yes, Tom offered and he is a good friend. So that would have given me how much time to re-tune the chassis? I run a business with a mechanic of one, secretary of one, *** wiper of one, all being me. I don't have 20+ guys in my crew who can tune for me. The car is what it is and if it is accepted for racing at events, I show up within a reasonable distance. My limited budget comes from hard work and when I am tuning my car or traveling, there is no one at the store pumping money into the business. I would much rather be racing but there's that whole "feed the family" thing.
How about if you and the SAM car drive all the way up to PA next time to race and I make the rules for production trannys only. Would you switch and spend the time to re-tune the combination for one race?
You missed the whole point of the W non W thing. I spent 4 months tuning my suspension with the W tire to get low 1.3x 60' times. It was not an easy task to keep the front down while still transfering the weight. I learned alot. I was not willing to spend any more time or money to run a 10.5 tire, tow a 30' trailer 1200 miles for one race. I just did not have the time. Yes, Tom offered and he is a good friend. So that would have given me how much time to re-tune the chassis? I run a business with a mechanic of one, secretary of one, *** wiper of one, all being me. I don't have 20+ guys in my crew who can tune for me. The car is what it is and if it is accepted for racing at events, I show up within a reasonable distance. My limited budget comes from hard work and when I am tuning my car or traveling, there is no one at the store pumping money into the business. I would much rather be racing but there's that whole "feed the family" thing.
Re: Son of Sam Camaro Personally, I think BOTH cars are extremely impressive. I also think Mikey and Joe are Both good guys and BOTH of them have done right by me. I consider both of you guys (or all ya'll <img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" /> ) good friends.
Besides, It's a moog point now. It's over, both cars ran at different tracks on different days at different race weights. Actually, I hope to line up against both cars one day.
Well, off to the Pittsburgh/Cinncinati game <img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" /> Beer and brautwurst for me today <img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" />
Be nice
Tom <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />
Besides, It's a moog point now. It's over, both cars ran at different tracks on different days at different race weights. Actually, I hope to line up against both cars one day.
Well, off to the Pittsburgh/Cinncinati game <img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" /> Beer and brautwurst for me today <img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" />
Be nice
Tom <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />
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Re: Son of Sam Camaro What I know about the "Summer of Sam" mag article
car at that time, last summer running 10's on motor,
as it was running a Jerico Roadrace tranny, with
the light gearset etc. It was interesting to learn
that even the Jerico's Roadrace tranny held up to
the performance drag application.
The side debate about pro-built-sponsored cars, vs.
shop-built-sponsored cars did not include the little
known number of HOME-built-NONsponsored cars that
are cracking good numbers.
The HOME-built-NONsponsored cars are more truely
budget and resource limited cars, IMHO.
Jay Johnson
car at that time, last summer running 10's on motor,
as it was running a Jerico Roadrace tranny, with
the light gearset etc. It was interesting to learn
that even the Jerico's Roadrace tranny held up to
the performance drag application.
The side debate about pro-built-sponsored cars, vs.
shop-built-sponsored cars did not include the little
known number of HOME-built-NONsponsored cars that
are cracking good numbers.
The HOME-built-NONsponsored cars are more truely
budget and resource limited cars, IMHO.
Jay Johnson
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Re: Son of Sam Camaro </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Jay Johnson:
[QBThe side debate about pro-built-sponsored cars, vs.
shop-built-sponsored cars did not include the little
known number of HOME-built-NONsponsored cars that
are cracking good numbers.
The HOME-built-NONsponsored cars are more truely
budget and resource limited cars, IMHO.
[/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ding-Ding-Ding
Seeing the big-dogs run big numbers is impressive. But seeing the individual go fast is more down home to me. Hell, i put 600 miles on my car in the last 4 days. No race car here <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
[QBThe side debate about pro-built-sponsored cars, vs.
shop-built-sponsored cars did not include the little
known number of HOME-built-NONsponsored cars that
are cracking good numbers.
The HOME-built-NONsponsored cars are more truely
budget and resource limited cars, IMHO.
[/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ding-Ding-Ding
Seeing the big-dogs run big numbers is impressive. But seeing the individual go fast is more down home to me. Hell, i put 600 miles on my car in the last 4 days. No race car here <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
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Re: Son of Sam Camaro Looks pretty good. When they say the short block has never been out when they went 10s does that mean stock rod bolts too. Cause from what i heard you cant really replace them with the engine in the car. This might be the set up that me and some friends are going to build. Gonna try to build a street monster.
Re: Son of Sam Camaro 10's with stock rods I believe yes Dan.
I think there is not need to get wacky about Jud's SS, if he had an A3 or A2 in it it would probably run 9.60 or better. He does have a huge team of eager students who all love to help work on the car, and these folks are the speed shop owners of tomorrow gah' bless. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
I think there is not need to get wacky about Jud's SS, if he had an A3 or A2 in it it would probably run 9.60 or better. He does have a huge team of eager students who all love to help work on the car, and these folks are the speed shop owners of tomorrow gah' bless. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
Re: Son of Sam Camaro I use to get into this BS but lately I find this to be CRAP!!
Now u know why I'm going to slow my car down.Its not worth all the BS that goes on and not fun anymore....
Little di**s are a sad thing to have guys.
Let the BS go already....
The holidays are comming.Maybe u should realize FAMILY,FRIENDS are whats important.Not some stupid BS about what car is quicker or faster than another.
Wish MOM was here with me for the holidays..
JS
Merry XMAS to all and G*D bless....
Now u know why I'm going to slow my car down.Its not worth all the BS that goes on and not fun anymore....
Little di**s are a sad thing to have guys.
Let the BS go already....
The holidays are comming.Maybe u should realize FAMILY,FRIENDS are whats important.Not some stupid BS about what car is quicker or faster than another.
Wish MOM was here with me for the holidays..
JS
Merry XMAS to all and G*D bless....
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Re: Son of Sam Camaro </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by mikey:
<strong>
I was not willing to spend any more time or money to run a 10.5 tire, tow a 30' trailer 1200 miles for one race. I just did not have the time. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Amen to that. It is easy for people to say "why didnt you come to the race" when it is in their own backyard.
I dont understand why you don't do an index racing (8,9,10,11,12,13) format and then have an all out NA and all out Power adder class with the only restrictions being stock suspension and a certain raceweight for each class. (with weight penaltys for C5R headed motors, and non-LS1 based motors)
Then you dont have to screw around with anything except meeting the proper weight and running a stock style suspension.
Then people can bring and run the combos they race and have a good time.
Why is everyone hung up on running a Non "W" tire at these events? These are race cars why not have them run a "W" tire?
I could see them running a DOT legal tire if they were pretending to be a street car. But limiting a race car to a non "W" tire is silly.
Chris
<small>[ November 25, 2002, 07:53 AM: Message edited by: Chris ARE 360 ]</small>
<strong>
I was not willing to spend any more time or money to run a 10.5 tire, tow a 30' trailer 1200 miles for one race. I just did not have the time. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Amen to that. It is easy for people to say "why didnt you come to the race" when it is in their own backyard.
I dont understand why you don't do an index racing (8,9,10,11,12,13) format and then have an all out NA and all out Power adder class with the only restrictions being stock suspension and a certain raceweight for each class. (with weight penaltys for C5R headed motors, and non-LS1 based motors)
Then you dont have to screw around with anything except meeting the proper weight and running a stock style suspension.
Then people can bring and run the combos they race and have a good time.
Why is everyone hung up on running a Non "W" tire at these events? These are race cars why not have them run a "W" tire?
I could see them running a DOT legal tire if they were pretending to be a street car. But limiting a race car to a non "W" tire is silly.
Chris
<small>[ November 25, 2002, 07:53 AM: Message edited by: Chris ARE 360 ]</small>
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Re: Son of Sam Camaro </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by JS:
<strong>
Little di**s are a sad thing to have guys.
.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thats funny. Sounds like you are speaking from experience though. <img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" />
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Little di**s are a sad thing to have guys.
.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thats funny. Sounds like you are speaking from experience though. <img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" />
Re: Son of Sam Camaro Silver T/A,I see your from LA.
Isnt that Cajun Country.
Well at least I didnt marry my 1st cousin <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
JS
Isnt that Cajun Country.
Well at least I didnt marry my 1st cousin <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
JS
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Re: Son of Sam Camaro JS: Maybe you should have married your first cousin, I hear she is great in bed.
Let the guys bicker over whose car is faster, weight, track prep, its all just internet racing anyway. This is the internet aint it??
Let the guys bicker over whose car is faster, weight, track prep, its all just internet racing anyway. This is the internet aint it??