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Old Nov 15, 2004 | 11:40 AM
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I am currently running a 4400 stall converter, w/4.10 gears and 26x10-15 ET Drags, and I am starting to hit the limiter at before the traps. Would just going to a taller tire help me? Any help on this would be appreciated.

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Old Nov 15, 2004 | 11:45 AM
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either a taller tire or less gear will help.
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Old Nov 15, 2004 | 12:24 PM
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Lynda, was nice meeting you and Clint at Thunder, I had a great time down there.
I had the same problem when I was stock internal. When the tranny was fresh I went through with no problems, as the 3/4 pack started to wear I started noticing that I couldn't go all the way through. My solution to the problem was to manually lock the converter with a lock-up switch.That solved the problem temporarly.
It sounds like to me you have tranny issues with your 3/4 pack. Take your pan of and investagate to see whats in the pan. I willing to bet thats your problem is. You will more than likely find alot of sludge in the pan.

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Old Nov 15, 2004 | 12:24 PM
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126MPH should be going the lights at 6700 (+/-100 rpms)
I'd bump the limiter to 7000.....
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Old Nov 15, 2004 | 12:44 PM
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Lynda,
You are still on the stock tranny aren't you? It may just be a matter of it slipping in high gear. You could lock the converter or raise the limiter up a little bit to crutch you by.
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Old Nov 15, 2004 | 12:44 PM
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You can try a 28x9 inch ET drag which gives 27.3 overall height.

Some folks have found the tire inconsistent though. (M6 guys)

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Old Nov 15, 2004 | 01:33 PM
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I remember us talking about this in P.M before. I would go more tire or bump the limiter up. Try bumping the limiter up first, that would be the easiest/cheapest option obviously.
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Old Nov 15, 2004 | 01:48 PM
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Yeah, you can try the 28x9 ET Drag .. but it needs a 8" rim.

Hoosier makes a 27" QTP in both a 10.5 and 11.5

Hoosiers 26x11.5 slicks are slightly taller than the ET Drags..

With the 4.10's I would look at ET Street Radials in a P275/60R15 (28x11.50-15) It's a little taller (27.6"), but it shouldn't grow as much on the top end.
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Old Nov 15, 2004 | 01:51 PM
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SilverGhost brings up a good point. Where is the limiter set? Bump it up a hunderd or 2.
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Old Nov 15, 2004 | 06:22 PM
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limiter is already @ 7k if I remember correctly so we are definately not going to mess with that. Clint was showing me some Engine/RPM calulator online where he put in some info and said there has to be something wrong, so I think we are going to look into it what Hawkn01 said before we spend any money on tires or anything else.
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Old Nov 15, 2004 | 06:47 PM
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Never hurts to check the pan. Normally if there is something going on it will show in the pan. You've had the heads and cam awhile and with the added torque I'm willing to bet you've toasted the 3/4 pack.

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Old Nov 15, 2004 | 07:54 PM
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Hehe.. I have no doubt our 4L60E's are hating every pass we make. That's the reason I've bought a spare, plan to have it built and put into the "rotation" as soon as funds are available.
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Old Nov 15, 2004 | 07:58 PM
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I have some 30x9x15 slicks you can try.

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Old Nov 16, 2004 | 12:52 AM
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LOL coach do you have the BFH and sawzall she'll need to try those tires out,too

ok if limiter is a 7,000...4.10 and 26" tire *should* logically clear the traps.

But here is an important Q i should have asked already...is this a recent issue? Like was the car clearing the traps until now with no changes made? Obviously if its just started happening then yeah, something is going wrong..
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Old Nov 16, 2004 | 02:50 AM
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Originally Posted by CamaroCain
limiter is already @ 7k if I remember correctly so we are definately not going to mess with that. Clint was showing me some Engine/RPM calulator online where he put in some info and said there has to be something wrong, so I think we are going to look into it what Hawkn01 said before we spend any money on tires or anything else.
You can try my 28/10/15 hoosier slicks any time , but like they've said your probably are starting to loose 3rd . sounds like your clutches are starting to loose its clamping force . Very common in 4l60e.
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Old Nov 16, 2004 | 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by SilverGhost
LOL coach do you have the BFH and sawzall she'll need to try those tires out,too

ok if limiter is a 7,000...4.10 and 26" tire *should* logically clear the traps.

But here is an important Q i should have asked already...is this a recent issue? Like was the car clearing the traps until now with no changes made? Obviously if its just started happening then yeah, something is going wrong..
Well, lets put it this way, I didn't have this problem at the Thunder shootout the weekend BEFORE. Clint mentioned it to me before, but said he would go further pass the traps before on the brakes. I never experienced it with me in the car until Sunday.

Clint and I have discussed it some and sometime next month the trans will be out of the car for some better parts. Have to do it as cheap as possible right now until I can afford to go to something better like a 4L80 or full built 4L60. Need to have it finished by Christmas time so I can catch the really good air in January Of course, like I told Clint, then the rear will go
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Old Nov 16, 2004 | 09:57 AM
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Oh, and as far as tires go, my ONLY issue with going to a difference height would be that I would have to buy the same size tires for daily driving, or it will throw some stuff off. Being poor SUCKS!
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Old Nov 16, 2004 | 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by CamaroCain
Oh, and as far as tires go, my ONLY issue with going to a difference height would be that I would have to buy the same size tires for daily driving, or it will throw some stuff off. Being poor SUCKS!
Here's a pretty decent rpm calculator for tires size and gearing.

http://www.race-cars.net/calculators...alculator.html

You may need to add 100-200rpm for automatic cars to compensate for the converter slip.

The 28X9 ET Drags hooked very well for me, so well I had to run at 20psi because I lacked the horsepower at the time to pull the car out of the hole.

As said before the overall hight is only 27.3". If you are worried that it will throw your speedo off, it will only show about 5mph slower at 70mph with the ET drags over a stock sized 25.75" tire.

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Old Nov 16, 2004 | 12:26 PM
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As said before the overall hight is only 27.3". If you are worried that it will throw your speedo off, it will only show about 5mph slower at 70mph with the ET drags over a stock sized 25.75" tire.

We have thought about those tires, but our only problem with them is that this car gets daily driven, and with going to a bigger tire we would have to change the shift points back and forth for street or track, since we dont have our own programming at this time it would be a hassle. Might be looking into HPtuners or Edit in the near future if funds allow, then the taller tires will most likely be going on.
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Magnus hooked 1.45's on the 28x9x15 all day long, good tires, but it sounds like the trans might need to freshened up.
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