Drag Racing Tech
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Do all you M6 guys powershift at the track?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Apr 17, 2005 | 07:11 PM
  #21  
NastySSoo's Avatar
TECH Fanatic
 
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 1,376
Likes: 0
From: Stuart Fl
Default

Originally Posted by SMOKIN01TA
no, i dont powershift cause im still on the stock m6 transmission
i actually use my clutch but i use it in a huge hurry and my clutch master is adjusted up high so i dont have to push far to disengague it.
Ditto, Im absolutely amazed at the abuse my T56 has taken though!!

Paul
Reply
Old Apr 17, 2005 | 08:27 PM
  #22  
jerflash's Avatar
11 Second Club
20 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Shutterbug
 
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 1,498
Likes: 10
From: long island, ny
Default

i find that you can power shift 1-2 ans 2-3 with out much trouble but as soon as you try 3-4 with that crap shiftfork and slider keys its over
Reply
Old Apr 17, 2005 | 09:10 PM
  #23  
pontiac's Avatar
TECH Resident
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 859
Likes: 0
From: Huntsville, AL
Default

i never did it in this car cause $$$$$$$$ and the tranny would lock me out of geer at 6700 rpms but did it in all of my old cars.
but I just fixed tranny with billit keys and steel fork..
THINK IT WILL BE OK/?????????????
Reply
Old Apr 17, 2005 | 09:30 PM
  #24  
JL ws-6's Avatar
Race your car!
20 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Shutterbug
iTrader: (50)
 
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 15,421
Likes: 18
Default

I know that I have never left the right foot to the floor, I just blip the gas enough to match the RPM that the motor drops between shifts. When you go to shift, take foot off the gas enough as you push in the clutch so that when you shift and let the clutch back out, the motor is matched RPM wise to the tranny.. just do the entire process real fast. You can actually pratice while driving around normally, just perform your shifts real fast, and try to get off teh gas just enough so that when the cluch is back grabbing, the motor doesn't drop any RPM from engaging the clutch. Seems to work for me anyway, made quite a few passes on the stock tranny and stock hydraulics, no problems so far.. other than the factory clutch crapping out... but that's to be expected when e.t. streets are added to the picture.
Reply
Old Apr 17, 2005 | 09:33 PM
  #25  
Mike K.'s Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Junkie
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 3,242
Likes: 0
From: Lakeland, FL
Default

Originally Posted by JL ws-6
I know that I have never left the right foot to the floor, I just blip the gas enough to match the RPM that the motor drops between shifts. When you go to shift, take foot off the gas enough as you push in the clutch so that when you shift and let the clutch back out, the motor is matched RPM wise to the tranny.. just do the entire process real fast. You can actually pratice while driving around normally, just perform your shifts real fast, and try to get off teh gas just enough so that when the cluch is back grabbing, the motor doesn't drop any RPM from engaging the clutch. Seems to work for me anyway, made quite a few passes on the stock tranny and stock hydraulics, no problems so far.. other than the factory clutch crapping out... but that's to be expected when e.t. streets are added to the picture.

Good idea, kinda like a happy medium, dont floor it but keep the revs up,, will take some practice though.
Reply
Old Apr 17, 2005 | 09:33 PM
  #26  
Mike K.'s Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Junkie
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 3,242
Likes: 0
From: Lakeland, FL
Default

Originally Posted by jerflash
i find that you can power shift 1-2 ans 2-3 with out much trouble but as soon as you try 3-4 with that crap shiftfork and slider keys its over
thats exactly what happened to me.
Reply
Old Apr 17, 2005 | 11:16 PM
  #27  
koolkoreanked's Avatar
On The Tree
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 108
Likes: 0
From: Fayetteville, NC
Default

Originally Posted by jerflash
i find that you can power shift 1-2 ans 2-3 with out much trouble but as soon as you try 3-4 with that crap shiftfork and slider keys its over
Wow are the stock peices really that bad?!?!?! I knew the stock clutch was crap but I didn't know the other peices were too.
Reply
Old Apr 18, 2005 | 01:06 AM
  #28  
BlueSix's Avatar
TECH Junkie
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 3,050
Likes: 0
From: its fucking cold
Default

No problem's powershifting here. Gas pedal never leaves the floor, clutch get's a quick hit and the shifter gets a quick rip. Once i feel i have maxamized the potential of my stock GTO i'll try a couple passes lift shifting and see how it effects my times.

I don't even use the clutch when racing my other ride....just shift at 14,500 RPM, but that's a different machine.
Reply
Old Apr 18, 2005 | 01:23 AM
  #29  
SilverGhost's Avatar
Motorboater
iTrader: (53)
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 7,731
Likes: 1
From: Chi-town
Default

Originally Posted by 383LQ4SS
I never powershift. Its tough on the tranny. I believe 90% of all T56 fialures are shift related. You can minimize this with finding a good set of hydraulics that works well and setting it up correctly. You still have to shift within the confines of what the hyd/tranny will let you though. You should still be able to run within .2-.3 of your best possible ET by using the clutch. So for now...I use the clutch and just blip the throttle up. If I got very close to an ET I wanted...then I may consider powershifting.
powershifting you still use the clutch, the diff between power and speed shifiting is just not taking your right foot off the floor.
Reply
Old Apr 18, 2005 | 06:20 AM
  #30  
Fireball's Avatar
TECH Senior Member
20 Year Member
iTrader: (21)
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 8,484
Likes: 0
From: Cecil County Raceway!!!
Default

I lift on my shifts. albeit..very quickly, but I still lift
Reply
Old Apr 18, 2005 | 11:02 AM
  #31  
CarsRFun's Avatar
12 Second Club
 
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 216
Likes: 0
Default

i shift really fast not worth breaking **** for a tenth.
Reply
Old Apr 18, 2005 | 11:16 AM
  #32  
sardog46's Avatar
10 Second Club
 
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,491
Likes: 1
From: norfolk va
Default

I am with most. I lift just a little. Not worth the damage for a minimal gain.
Reply
Old Apr 19, 2005 | 12:20 AM
  #33  
Mike K.'s Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Junkie
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 3,242
Likes: 0
From: Lakeland, FL
Default

Now alot of you guys said you adjust the clutch all the way to the top but wouldn't it make more sense to adjust it all the way to the bottom with hardly any clutch travel at all so you could just slam your foot to the floor and not have to worry about clutch travel at all? Kind of like a push button type setup?
Reply
Old Apr 19, 2005 | 12:24 AM
  #34  
pontiac's Avatar
TECH Resident
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 859
Likes: 0
From: Huntsville, AL
Default

no because then you would move the shifter before it was disengaged....breaking ****.......you want the very first part the clutch pedal moves to do the disengament part so you have time to do the COMPLETE shift before the pedal comes back up to the REengagment point at the top of the clutch pedal.
Reply
Old Apr 19, 2005 | 12:25 AM
  #35  
pontiac's Avatar
TECH Resident
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 859
Likes: 0
From: Huntsville, AL
Default

and this is all done between the shift light and you rev limiter at 6700 + rpm's with the gas to the floor
Reply
Old Apr 19, 2005 | 12:48 AM
  #36  
Mike K.'s Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Junkie
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 3,242
Likes: 0
From: Lakeland, FL
Default

hmmmm but and adjustable master does not really change the engagement point per say but rather how much fluid is pushed but does have the side affect of moving the clutch pedal up or down which kinda decieves you into thinking the engagement point is different right? For example my currrent spec V has and engagement point close to the top of the pedal swing, If I adjust it all the way out the engagement point is at the top but I have more pedal to move before I hit the floor and start coming back, If I adjust it all the way to the floor the engagement point is still close to the top of the swing I just push less fluid and have less pedal to move. Wouldn't this make the shift quicker?


I here what you are saying pontiac,, Im just trying to picture both scenarios in my head.
Reply
Old Apr 19, 2005 | 05:45 AM
  #37  
sr71bbjr's Avatar
TECH Resident
iTrader: (52)
 
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 809
Likes: 0
From: DFW
Default

"If Your liftin your not shiftin"
Reply
Old Apr 20, 2005 | 12:02 PM
  #38  
mike c.'s Avatar
10 Second Club
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 4,031
Likes: 2
From: mi
Default

i just mash my trans,i don't care. i go through a rebuild of the good parts every year. my bud owns a trans shop so for me it cost little.
Reply
Old Apr 20, 2005 | 12:14 PM
  #39  
pontiac's Avatar
TECH Resident
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 859
Likes: 0
From: Huntsville, AL
Default

MIKE K.
if you adjust the pedal to the bottom (on an adjustable mc) yes you pedal has less travel BUT you are moving less fluid ====== you may not be disengaging all the way when you sre shifting ===== breaking **** thats why spec clutches started coming with a bigger shim so you pedal moves more fluid === complete disengagment.. just for thought the time difference when slamming the clutch pedal between a full pedal and an adjusted down pedal can not be that sugnifican especially if meaning a rebuilt tranny
just my opinion
Reply
Old Apr 20, 2005 | 11:45 PM
  #40  
skinnies's Avatar
10 Second Club
20 Year Member
iTrader: (33)
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 2,431
Likes: 4
From: KS
Default

My good friend powershifts on the streets all the time on his heads/cam lt1. I've seen more than 250 powershifts in the last couple of months from him and its holding up still.
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:13 PM.