For those that cut low 1.2 60's and maybe even high 1.1's
05-14-2005, 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Magnus
I'm wondering if a 28x10.5W will be enough tire to hook a few hundered more HP with wheelie bars.
05-15-2005, 01:04 AM
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Chris, what was your best 60ft ever in your car? Mine was a 1.48 on motor three years ago.
I sure don't think I can tell Keith how to adjust his stuff when he's gotten a 1.31 out of it.... My comments have been more about having a good size tire for 9.2's. Sure he can try to be a hero by going 9.2's someday with a 28x10.5 but I see no need for that.
I sure don't think I can tell Keith how to adjust his stuff when he's gotten a 1.31 out of it.... My comments have been more about having a good size tire for 9.2's. Sure he can try to be a hero by going 9.2's someday with a 28x10.5 but I see no need for that.
05-15-2005, 07:09 AM
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If one adjustment is good, then two must be twice as good, right? 
Originally Posted by KingCrapBox
You mean single-adjustable HAL's aren't the best choice when I'm trying to 1.2x 60'? Damn....
05-15-2005, 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Pro Stock John
Chris, what was your best 60ft ever in your car? Mine was a 1.48 on motor three years ago.
I sure don't think I can tell Keith how to adjust his stuff when he's gotten a 1.31 out of it.... My comments have been more about having a good size tire for 9.2's. Sure he can try to be a hero by going 9.2's someday with a 28x10.5 but I see no need for that.
I sure don't think I can tell Keith how to adjust his stuff when he's gotten a 1.31 out of it.... My comments have been more about having a good size tire for 9.2's. Sure he can try to be a hero by going 9.2's someday with a 28x10.5 but I see no need for that.
With a 26x10.5 ET street (still six speed) I went 1.56
I remember you telling me I'd never hit a 1.5 sixty with such a small tire.
Bone stock shocks and springs, stock swaybars, hotchkiss LCAs, RT PHR, RR airbag, torque arm set to -3 degrees pinion angle and slicks screwed to the rim.
I played with the pinion angle and RR airbag pressure for about 30 passes over a weekend of racing before dialing it in.
Magnus has gone way faster (which I congratulate him for)
My point is he'll go even faster with the slicks screwed to the rim, 10-11psi hot and testing pinion angle.
(Not to mention other suspension tweaks Madman could help him with)
There are guys with WAY more power running 8s@160-170mph with a 28x10.5 inch tire on a torque arm setup at a much heavier raceweight.
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05-15-2005, 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by CHRISPY
With the six speed on only a 26x8.5 slick I went 1.50 with an aggressive iron disc clutch, less than optimal track at 3600 pounds.
With a 26x10.5 ET street (still six speed) I went 1.56
I remember you telling me I'd never hit a 1.5 sixty with such a small tire.
Bone stock shocks and springs, stock swaybars, hotchkiss LCAs, RT PHR, RR airbag, torque arm set to -3 degrees pinion angle and slicks screwed to the rim.
I played with the pinion angle and RR airbag pressure for about 30 passes over a weekend of racing before dialing it in.
Magnus has gone way faster (which I congratulate him for)
My point is he'll go even faster with the slicks screwed to the rim, 10-11psi hot and testing pinion angle.
(Not to mention other suspension tweaks Madman could help him with)
There are guys with WAY more power running 8s@160-170mph with a 28x10.5 inch tire on a torque arm setup at a much heavier raceweight.
With a 26x10.5 ET street (still six speed) I went 1.56
I remember you telling me I'd never hit a 1.5 sixty with such a small tire.
Bone stock shocks and springs, stock swaybars, hotchkiss LCAs, RT PHR, RR airbag, torque arm set to -3 degrees pinion angle and slicks screwed to the rim.
I played with the pinion angle and RR airbag pressure for about 30 passes over a weekend of racing before dialing it in.
Magnus has gone way faster (which I congratulate him for)
My point is he'll go even faster with the slicks screwed to the rim, 10-11psi hot and testing pinion angle.
(Not to mention other suspension tweaks Madman could help him with)
There are guys with WAY more power running 8s@160-170mph with a 28x10.5 inch tire on a torque arm setup at a much heavier raceweight.
05-15-2005, 07:34 PM
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I hear what you guys are saying.
No, I have never put shoe polish on the wheels to mark them. I probably am spinning them.
Basically I just have to screw the wheels.. just sucks they are so damn expensive.
FYI, I picked up traction and MPH going from a -3 pinion angle to a -.05 pinion angle.. Yes on seperate days but the weather was similar and I was also racing against 01-Z on both days and we run the same exact ET's and MPH's.
No, I have never put shoe polish on the wheels to mark them. I probably am spinning them.
Basically I just have to screw the wheels.. just sucks they are so damn expensive.
FYI, I picked up traction and MPH going from a -3 pinion angle to a -.05 pinion angle.. Yes on seperate days but the weather was similar and I was also racing against 01-Z on both days and we run the same exact ET's and MPH's.
05-15-2005, 08:03 PM
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Magnus,
After you screw the rims you might want to consider trying both -0.05 and -3.0 as a test
It might be that .05 works best or it could be that the -3 was causing the tires to turn more on the rim causing you to 60 slower as a result.
I am sure you'll improve after screwing the rims. (That just doesnt sound right does it)
After you screw the rims you might want to consider trying both -0.05 and -3.0 as a test
It might be that .05 works best or it could be that the -3 was causing the tires to turn more on the rim causing you to 60 slower as a result.
I am sure you'll improve after screwing the rims. (That just doesnt sound right does it)
05-16-2005, 11:19 AM
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I had some buddies at the WFC race this weekend and they were telling me about the Street Outlaw class that has pretty tight rules, but allows back half cars, but I found it funny cause these guys at the race over the weekend went 7.37 194.04 and runner up went 7.44 193.99. Now you might ask... so why is he posting this... well the part that has to do with this tread is that these guys went that fast on a 28X10.5 tire NON W tire.
05-16-2005, 11:56 AM
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7.44@193 on a 28x10.5... But these cars are also 3 inches off the ground and have a ton of chassis work?
Perhaps we can just stay focused on what tire/wheel/wheelie bar combo makes sense for a 9.25 all motor car that has a 2800 raceweight. My vote is still 29.5x10.5 for a low 9 second car.
Perhaps we can just stay focused on what tire/wheel/wheelie bar combo makes sense for a 9.25 all motor car that has a 2800 raceweight. My vote is still 29.5x10.5 for a low 9 second car.
05-16-2005, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Outlaw
I had some buddies at the WFC race this weekend and they were telling me about the Street Outlaw class that has pretty tight rules, but allows back half cars, but I found it funny cause these guys at the race over the weekend went 7.37 194.04 and runner up went 7.44 193.99. Now you might ask... so why is he posting this... well the part that has to do with this tread is that these guys went that fast on a 28X10.5 tire NON W tire.
And for those that bitch, look at NMRA Street-Outlaw. There are stock-suspension, 28x10.5 tired cars that cut high 1.20 60's, run 7.60's @ over 180 MPH with a true 91mm turbo.
05-16-2005, 02:18 PM
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i dont think many people desagreed with the 29 inch tall tire as much as not putting a w on the car..... and i think the car can go that fast on a 28 if you take some gear out
05-16-2005, 02:45 PM
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I think the difference here is that the stock suspension parts (a lot of them) were bing used and the way the car hooked was with alot of PA.
With the solid rear suspension used in the other car less PA is needed b/c he is not squating as much as the stock stuff was.
This is just a guess from reading, have not seen any launch pics/vids of either set up.....
With the solid rear suspension used in the other car less PA is needed b/c he is not squating as much as the stock stuff was.
This is just a guess from reading, have not seen any launch pics/vids of either set up.....
Originally Posted by CHRISPY
With the six speed on only a 26x8.5 slick I went 1.50 with an aggressive iron disc clutch, less than optimal track at 3600 pounds.
With a 26x10.5 ET street (still six speed) I went 1.56
I remember you telling me I'd never hit a 1.5 sixty with such a small tire.
Bone stock shocks and springs, stock swaybars, hotchkiss LCAs, RT PHR, RR airbag, torque arm set to -3 degrees pinion angle and slicks screwed to the rim.
I played with the pinion angle and RR airbag pressure for about 30 passes over a weekend of racing before dialing it in.
Magnus has gone way faster (which I congratulate him for)
My point is he'll go even faster with the slicks screwed to the rim, 10-11psi hot and testing pinion angle.
(Not to mention other suspension tweaks Madman could help him with)
There are guys with WAY more power running 8s@160-170mph with a 28x10.5 inch tire on a torque arm setup at a much heavier raceweight.
With a 26x10.5 ET street (still six speed) I went 1.56
I remember you telling me I'd never hit a 1.5 sixty with such a small tire.
Bone stock shocks and springs, stock swaybars, hotchkiss LCAs, RT PHR, RR airbag, torque arm set to -3 degrees pinion angle and slicks screwed to the rim.
I played with the pinion angle and RR airbag pressure for about 30 passes over a weekend of racing before dialing it in.
Magnus has gone way faster (which I congratulate him for)
My point is he'll go even faster with the slicks screwed to the rim, 10-11psi hot and testing pinion angle.
(Not to mention other suspension tweaks Madman could help him with)
There are guys with WAY more power running 8s@160-170mph with a 28x10.5 inch tire on a torque arm setup at a much heavier raceweight.
05-16-2005, 06:17 PM
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Keith does not have to stay on a 28" tire. I doubt he will either. In fact, I will say the three fastest all motor cars on the site are on bigger than a 28" tire:
Judson, 29.5x10.5 ET Drag - 9.17
Joe O., 29 of some kind - 9.25 I think
Matt346ls1? 9.27
Fear the LS1, 30's I thought - 9.6 I think
It should also be mentioned that those Outlaw cars on 28's are exciting to watch because they crash a fair amount.
Judson, 29.5x10.5 ET Drag - 9.17
Joe O., 29 of some kind - 9.25 I think
Matt346ls1? 9.27
Fear the LS1, 30's I thought - 9.6 I think
It should also be mentioned that those Outlaw cars on 28's are exciting to watch because they crash a fair amount.
05-17-2005, 01:31 AM
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Did you try running more gas for weight transfer? I have Bogarts also. You have to screw them! It only hurts for the first hole, after you pop the cherry the rest are easy to drill. lol. I think the screws make them look better. Good luck.
05-17-2005, 05:55 PM
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Outlaw, what is to fix in the suspension?
The ideas I have had are all solutions that don't require "fixing" of an already working suspension":
Screw the tires
Launch from a lower RPM
Use a 2 step
My car is light as hell and all my suspenion parts are top dollar and setup well. Not sure how much fixing there is.
Outlaw, I'd like to see you try to "fix" my suspension to make the car hook a WOT Tbrake launch on the tracks I race at. I'd like to see my setup fail like it often does to due track prep and a small/uncsrewed tire and then you tweak a few suspension peices and make it work. I doubt it would make any difference, if only make it worse. Thats just my oppinion though.
The ideas I have had are all solutions that don't require "fixing" of an already working suspension":
Screw the tires
Launch from a lower RPM
Use a 2 step
My car is light as hell and all my suspenion parts are top dollar and setup well. Not sure how much fixing there is.
Outlaw, I'd like to see you try to "fix" my suspension to make the car hook a WOT Tbrake launch on the tracks I race at. I'd like to see my setup fail like it often does to due track prep and a small/uncsrewed tire and then you tweak a few suspension peices and make it work. I doubt it would make any difference, if only make it worse. Thats just my oppinion though.