Search is down: What is an Edelbrock Victor Jr worth over a Fast 90/90?
12-22-2005, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Flame Throwing SS
FYI: No need to question the before and after tune, as Ken@HPTuners did the work. I mearly tweaked it at the track.
12-22-2005, 11:01 AM
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I'll find a way to make it fit without cutting the cowl.... or make my own if nessassary.
It looks like by the pic above, that with some angle milled into it it could work. I'm sure the vfn 2 inch ws-6 cowl hood will clear it. if it doesn't, and if I have to go to the 4 inch one, so be it.
It looks like by the pic above, that with some angle milled into it it could work. I'm sure the vfn 2 inch ws-6 cowl hood will clear it. if it doesn't, and if I have to go to the 4 inch one, so be it.
12-22-2005, 11:42 AM
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It would be easy to test. I could do back to back with the elbow and a regular square flange TB.
What CFM does a NW 90mm TB flow?
What CFM does a NW 90mm TB flow?
12-22-2005, 12:10 PM
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If plenum volme is a concern with the elbow.. a shorter one like what I have in mind might work rather well. The pic above of that elbow appears as if there's plenty that could still be removed from teh TB side, as well as the bottom.. decreasong teh plenum volume by some amount.
12-22-2005, 12:24 PM
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I just talked with Aaron at Spectrum. He is willing to let me test this on the Dyno. He did not believe that the plenum volume would be an issue. Once I have the car back together, I will be able to test at Speed Inc. if I go this route.
I can test back to back with the Fast 90, Victor Jr. and NW 90, Victor Jr. and square flange if needed.
Now just need to get Speed Inc.to go along with this. Could be an interesting magazine test.
I can test back to back with the Fast 90, Victor Jr. and NW 90, Victor Jr. and square flange if needed.
Now just need to get Speed Inc.to go along with this. Could be an interesting magazine test.
12-22-2005, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve Burger
I just talked with Aaron at Spectrum. He is willing to let me test this on the Dyno. He did not believe that the plenum volume would be an issue. Once I have the car back together, I will be able to test at Speed Inc. if I go this route.
I can test back to back with the Fast 90, Victor Jr. and NW 90, Victor Jr. and square flange if needed.
Now just need to get Speed Inc.to go along with this. Could be an interesting magazine test.
I can test back to back with the Fast 90, Victor Jr. and NW 90, Victor Jr. and square flange if needed.
Now just need to get Speed Inc.to go along with this. Could be an interesting magazine test.
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12-22-2005, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by JL ws-6
I'll find a way to make it fit without cutting the cowl.... or make my own if nessassary.
It looks like by the pic above, that with some angle milled into it it could work. I'm sure the vfn 2 inch ws-6 cowl hood will clear it. if it doesn't, and if I have to go to the 4 inch one, so be it.
It looks like by the pic above, that with some angle milled into it it could work. I'm sure the vfn 2 inch ws-6 cowl hood will clear it. if it doesn't, and if I have to go to the 4 inch one, so be it.
So if you do find an elbow to fit without cutting the sheet metal you're probably still going to have to cut all the platic off.
12-22-2005, 01:15 PM
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there are a few places that make elbows that will fit under the cowl no problem, but from what I've heard, the ones that fit totally under the cowl could be slightly restrictive, so to get the best airflow, the cowl needs slight cutting.
12-22-2005, 01:24 PM
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Did an email blast to Edelbrock, prime media and a few others. I want to get the test covered on this. There is a lot of interest in this mod. Somebody should want to cover it. I am at the right point and the right time to do this.
I wanna be the test mule!
I wanna be the test mule!
12-22-2005, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve Burger
Did an email blast to Edelbrock, prime media and a few others. I want to get the test covered on this. There is a lot of interest in this mod. Somebody should want to cover it. I am at the right point and the right time to do this.
I wanna be the test mule!
I wanna be the test mule!
12-22-2005, 02:04 PM
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Great. Let's get this covered. Not looking for financial gain here (I won;t turn it down either) just the added cost of the testing.
Here is what was sent to Edelbrock and several other magazines.
Here is a copy of an email I sent to Edelbrock. I believe this test idea has wide appeal for your subscriber base. I am one of the subscribers as well. Please read this over and let me know if you have any interest in this.
It was good talking with you yesterday about the LS1 Victor Jr. intake on an LS1 car. We talked over the possibility of some back to back testing. I would like to propose this to you and Edelbrock.
The test car is a 99 Z28
Engine specs:
347 forged short block
13:1 compression
ETP 225 heads www.etheads.com
Cam will be in the 242/248 110LSA .615 lift range
underdrive pulley
Edelbrock LS1 headers with tunable collector
Custom dual exhaust
Currently Fast 90 mm intake and Nick Williams 90mm throttle body
Drive Train specs:
TH350 RMVB with trans brake
4800 stall custom converter
Strange CM drive Shaft
Moser 12 bolt with 4.10 gears.
Suspension is all BMR
Tubular K member and a arms
Sub Frame connectors
Lower Control Arms
Adjustable Panhard rod
rear drag bar
adjustable torque arm
The car runs at the track on 10.5 x 28 x 15 ET drags.
Here is the test that I am proposing:
Test the car with the Fast 90 setup
Test with the Victor Jr. and square flange TB setup
Test with Victor Jr Spectrum Racing Elbow and 90mm TB. http://www.spectrum5racing.com/
This could be a showcase test for several magazines including GM High Tech Performance, Super Chevy, Chevy High Performance, Car Craft, and Hot Rod to name a few.
With the popularity of the LS1 as a swap candidate, this could bring a lot of business to Edelbrock. I have started a thread on www.ls1tech.com in the drag race section on this combination. I encourage you to take a look as there is a great deal of interest in this.
Please let me know if you get this email and if there is any interest in my proposal.
Thank you
Steve Burger
Here is what was sent to Edelbrock and several other magazines.
Here is a copy of an email I sent to Edelbrock. I believe this test idea has wide appeal for your subscriber base. I am one of the subscribers as well. Please read this over and let me know if you have any interest in this.
It was good talking with you yesterday about the LS1 Victor Jr. intake on an LS1 car. We talked over the possibility of some back to back testing. I would like to propose this to you and Edelbrock.
The test car is a 99 Z28
Engine specs:
347 forged short block
13:1 compression
ETP 225 heads www.etheads.com
Cam will be in the 242/248 110LSA .615 lift range
underdrive pulley
Edelbrock LS1 headers with tunable collector
Custom dual exhaust
Currently Fast 90 mm intake and Nick Williams 90mm throttle body
Drive Train specs:
TH350 RMVB with trans brake
4800 stall custom converter
Strange CM drive Shaft
Moser 12 bolt with 4.10 gears.
Suspension is all BMR
Tubular K member and a arms
Sub Frame connectors
Lower Control Arms
Adjustable Panhard rod
rear drag bar
adjustable torque arm
The car runs at the track on 10.5 x 28 x 15 ET drags.
Here is the test that I am proposing:
Test the car with the Fast 90 setup
Test with the Victor Jr. and square flange TB setup
Test with Victor Jr Spectrum Racing Elbow and 90mm TB. http://www.spectrum5racing.com/
This could be a showcase test for several magazines including GM High Tech Performance, Super Chevy, Chevy High Performance, Car Craft, and Hot Rod to name a few.
With the popularity of the LS1 as a swap candidate, this could bring a lot of business to Edelbrock. I have started a thread on www.ls1tech.com in the drag race section on this combination. I encourage you to take a look as there is a great deal of interest in this.
Please let me know if you get this email and if there is any interest in my proposal.
Thank you
Steve Burger
12-22-2005, 02:52 PM
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I'm o.k. with cutting the plastic if need be.. I'll go to the dealer and get a new one before I even start, so if I want to put it back I can. The metal.. that's a little harder to replace.
This news of the testing is great.. I'll have to bookmark this thread for future referance for sure.
This news of the testing is great.. I'll have to bookmark this thread for future referance for sure.
12-22-2005, 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by SUX2BU
You know that the plastic weather striping stuff sticks out past the sheet metal a bit too right?
So if you do find an elbow to fit without cutting the sheet metal you're probably still going to have to cut all the platic off.
So if you do find an elbow to fit without cutting the sheet metal you're probably still going to have to cut all the platic off.
12-22-2005, 08:01 PM
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I have had both...This is my experience.
90/90
Made more dyno HP and TQ and performed better at the track on a max effort setup. We were spraying this car with a 300 nozzle in front of the TB. We kept taking various plugs out. I installed a EGT system for each primarn to see what was going on. I found that spraying through that manifold yeilded me a 250 degree difference is some of the cylinders. Then we switched
GM carb manifold
Got hotter and made less through the whole curve. It did go alittle slower and lost a mph or 2 but when we sprayed it with a plate it worked like a champ. EGTs were within 50 degrees of each other. Never took out another plug.
What I am saying is that if you are a max effort small cube motor that is going to be running on motor then the 90/90 is a better combo but if you are going to spray the car that the carb style is way way better.
I have the same intake on my car 5.82@121 in the 1/8
90/90
Made more dyno HP and TQ and performed better at the track on a max effort setup. We were spraying this car with a 300 nozzle in front of the TB. We kept taking various plugs out. I installed a EGT system for each primarn to see what was going on. I found that spraying through that manifold yeilded me a 250 degree difference is some of the cylinders. Then we switched
GM carb manifold
Got hotter and made less through the whole curve. It did go alittle slower and lost a mph or 2 but when we sprayed it with a plate it worked like a champ. EGTs were within 50 degrees of each other. Never took out another plug.
What I am saying is that if you are a max effort small cube motor that is going to be running on motor then the 90/90 is a better combo but if you are going to spray the car that the carb style is way way better.
I have the same intake on my car 5.82@121 in the 1/8
12-22-2005, 08:53 PM
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What I am saying is that if you are a max effort small cube motor that is going to be running on motor then the 90/90 is a better combo but if you are going to spray the car that the carb style is way way better.
I have the same intake on my car 5.82@121 in the 1/8
I have the same intake on my car 5.82@121 in the 1/8
