slicks and transbrake obsolete?
05-19-2006, 11:21 AM
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At the last shootout I went a 1.37 with the back tires off of the footbrake. Then rode the bumper for 300+ feet and broke a lot of stuff on the landing. 
I do agree with Madman though that a car setup "correctly" would be faster off of a transbrake.
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I do agree with Madman though that a car setup "correctly" would be faster off of a transbrake.
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05-19-2006, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by 4thGenCamaro
But to tell you the truth, how many people actually have the money, let alone the know how, of setting up a car properly for a transbrake.
how many cars on this board that are running at best 10-9 second slips (majority much slower) need/have the ability to be put on scales and have a real professional chasis man setup their car?
seems like for the 1.3x and slower cars the transbrake and slick is the dinosaur for the footbrake drag radial setups.
05-19-2006, 12:01 PM
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This thread has me thinking or rethinking what I was going to do....I was hell bent to get a TH350/Brake set up but sitting back and thinking do I need or would I benefit from the Tbrake....
My first thought on getting it was it would hit like the M6 does, launch at 6k with the M6 and would want a 4000+ stall to hit off the Tbrake, looking at logs I thought it might be close to the same but I dont know....
The only personal experience I have is from a 350ish RWHP A4 car with an ST3500/3.73 to a TH350/3500/3.73 set up and the car picked up a tenth in the 60' once I figured out how to launch it.....
My first thought on getting it was it would hit like the M6 does, launch at 6k with the M6 and would want a 4000+ stall to hit off the Tbrake, looking at logs I thought it might be close to the same but I dont know....
The only personal experience I have is from a 350ish RWHP A4 car with an ST3500/3.73 to a TH350/3500/3.73 set up and the car picked up a tenth in the 60' once I figured out how to launch it.....
05-19-2006, 12:02 PM
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That is an awesome pic 
I would love to try em ,but I 'd have to start all over being a stick car , I wonder how many stick cars are using them?? They would have to be faster if you can hook ,em.
I would love to try em ,but I 'd have to start all over being a stick car , I wonder how many stick cars are using them?? They would have to be faster if you can hook ,em.
05-19-2006, 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by TOSTO RACING
That is an awesome pic I would love to try em ,but I 'd have to start all over being a stick car , I wonder how many stick cars are using them?? They would have to be faster if you can hook ,em.
I would love to try em ,but I 'd have to start all over being a stick car , I wonder how many stick cars are using them?? They would have to be faster if you can hook ,em.
05-19-2006, 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by gator's 99TA
and now we are getting somewhere!
how many cars on this board that are running at best 10-9 second slips (majority much slower) need/have the ability to be put on scales and have a real professional chasis man setup their car?
seems like for the 1.3x and slower cars the transbrake and slick is the dinosaur for the footbrake drag radial setups.
how many cars on this board that are running at best 10-9 second slips (majority much slower) need/have the ability to be put on scales and have a real professional chasis man setup their car?
seems like for the 1.3x and slower cars the transbrake and slick is the dinosaur for the footbrake drag radial setups.
If the majority of the 9-10 sec guys would get their car set up correctly I guarantee they would be faster.
Case in point a high 9 sec LS1 with 480hp on a radial leaving on the footbrake consistently 60fts 1.35s. Small shock adjustment, add 2lbs of air to the rear tires and use the trans brake the car is consistently 1.28s. The car went from high 9.80s to 9.60s.
05-19-2006, 02:09 PM
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so madman, you are giving me more proof that the new radial tire technology is so good that its taking the place of the TB and slick tire combos on us street-ish cars running 9-10 second passes then.
i need to get my bucket to you. i cant get my 275/60 m/t radial car into the 1.39 60' range.
maybe i should start cutting the car up to fit the 325 under there?
i need to get my bucket to you. i cant get my 275/60 m/t radial car into the 1.39 60' range.
maybe i should start cutting the car up to fit the 325 under there?
05-19-2006, 06:03 PM
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on the mt et radials i have been 1.32 on the foot brake and 1 time carried the fronts 170 feet. the tires are great but i don't think they will replace the bias slicks.for some auto cars they work but not alway for the high hp stick cars leaving at 6000.
05-19-2006, 11:01 PM
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Okay my $.02
I agree that the transbrake/slick combo won't grow old, because nothing feel like a transbrake launch. After 12 years of racing, I spent $2500 and ended up about .05 slower just to have a transbrake in my car (also added new Cal-Tracs, shocks, driveshaft and a few others, but trans swap and convertor cost the majority), but it's awesome. If you have never done it, you can't knock it and say footbraking is the same. And this is coming from a lifetime footbraking bracket racer. My car is about 2-3 hundredths better 60 foot off the t-brake over footbraking, with no other changes, but the way the car stands up versus footbraking gets a big grin on my face every time!
A transbrake is better for quicker (and sometimes more consistent) reaction times as well. Hand to eye coordination is much better than foot to eye. And I've gone red on a .500 pro tree off the t-brake versus a .045 best off the footbrake.
Radials are cool, but you can never compare them to a slick with the above mentioned examples like Wolfe's car, because they are set-up differently. That's like saying because Dwayne G's Mustang can run high 7's on a BFG radial that my 12 second car should dead hook no problem. Well, as many of us know, that's not the cut and dry case.
Drag radials are less forgiving, ESPECIALLY on hot tracks. I'm by no means an expert on radials, but with a good suspension set-up and a hot track, give me the slicks anyday! I love my M/T radials, but the stiff sidewall slicks are what goes on my car for competition runs b/c they always work (or are more consistent than the radials).
Now, I'm only an 11 second N/A and mid 10 second with spray car, and my Nova is leaf spring suspension as well, and I believe the control arm/torque arm F-body stuff, and 4 arm Mustang stuff allows for more tunability and a better hook most of the time.
I know this is long, but just wanted to share my opinions. All in just another view..
Derek
I agree that the transbrake/slick combo won't grow old, because nothing feel like a transbrake launch. After 12 years of racing, I spent $2500 and ended up about .05 slower just to have a transbrake in my car (also added new Cal-Tracs, shocks, driveshaft and a few others, but trans swap and convertor cost the majority), but it's awesome. If you have never done it, you can't knock it and say footbraking is the same. And this is coming from a lifetime footbraking bracket racer. My car is about 2-3 hundredths better 60 foot off the t-brake over footbraking, with no other changes, but the way the car stands up versus footbraking gets a big grin on my face every time!
A transbrake is better for quicker (and sometimes more consistent) reaction times as well. Hand to eye coordination is much better than foot to eye. And I've gone red on a .500 pro tree off the t-brake versus a .045 best off the footbrake.
Radials are cool, but you can never compare them to a slick with the above mentioned examples like Wolfe's car, because they are set-up differently. That's like saying because Dwayne G's Mustang can run high 7's on a BFG radial that my 12 second car should dead hook no problem. Well, as many of us know, that's not the cut and dry case.
Drag radials are less forgiving, ESPECIALLY on hot tracks. I'm by no means an expert on radials, but with a good suspension set-up and a hot track, give me the slicks anyday! I love my M/T radials, but the stiff sidewall slicks are what goes on my car for competition runs b/c they always work (or are more consistent than the radials).
Now, I'm only an 11 second N/A and mid 10 second with spray car, and my Nova is leaf spring suspension as well, and I believe the control arm/torque arm F-body stuff, and 4 arm Mustang stuff allows for more tunability and a better hook most of the time.
I know this is long, but just wanted to share my opinions. All in just another view..
Derek
05-19-2006, 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Shon Herron
This thread has me thinking or rethinking what I was going to do....I was hell bent to get a TH350/Brake set up but sitting back and thinking do I need or would I benefit from the Tbrake....
My first thought on getting it was it would hit like the M6 does, launch at 6k with the M6 and would want a 4000+ stall to hit off the Tbrake, looking at logs I thought it might be close to the same but I dont know....
The only personal experience I have is from a 350ish RWHP A4 car with an ST3500/3.73 to a TH350/3500/3.73 set up and the car picked up a tenth in the 60' once I figured out how to launch it.....
My first thought on getting it was it would hit like the M6 does, launch at 6k with the M6 and would want a 4000+ stall to hit off the Tbrake, looking at logs I thought it might be close to the same but I dont know....
The only personal experience I have is from a 350ish RWHP A4 car with an ST3500/3.73 to a TH350/3500/3.73 set up and the car picked up a tenth in the 60' once I figured out how to launch it.....
If you get a chance give me a call tomorrow. Straight drives and automatics are two different worlds and require very different set-ups. Lot's of BS on here. In the real world foot brake cars that run 10.60's have 1.3's in the sixty.
Daren
