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Procharger Vs. Big N20 Motor
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Procharger Vs. Big N20 Motor
I had ben thinking of doing a D1 procharger at the end of this season but the more I think of how much money ill have in it Im thinking of doing say a 408 with a lot o spray 250+ all I care about is getting down the track..what do you guys think will make me the happiest?
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Depends what you want to run, faster you go the more it costs either way since you will spending the same amount of $$ on drivetrain, fuel and safety stuff..
Advantage of a FI setup is I have a 'nothing' engine, I have gone 9.40s with a Z06 cam and unported heads with stock pushrods and an LS6 intake and close to 8s with a 222/228 XE cam with stock rockers and 918 springs. The car is even consistant enough to bracket race, little tougher to do that with nitrous.
i dont have to worry about the head and cam of the day, fancy light internal parts, intakes, high RPM and iits realted issues or filling a bottle - ever. Plus if it blows up its cheap to replace..
But if you are just looking to get from point A to pont B as quick and cheap as possible its hard to beat N2O.
Advantage of a FI setup is I have a 'nothing' engine, I have gone 9.40s with a Z06 cam and unported heads with stock pushrods and an LS6 intake and close to 8s with a 222/228 XE cam with stock rockers and 918 springs. The car is even consistant enough to bracket race, little tougher to do that with nitrous.
i dont have to worry about the head and cam of the day, fancy light internal parts, intakes, high RPM and iits realted issues or filling a bottle - ever. Plus if it blows up its cheap to replace..
But if you are just looking to get from point A to pont B as quick and cheap as possible its hard to beat N2O.
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Originally Posted by kp
Depends what you want to run, faster you go the more it costs either way since you will spending the same amount of $$ on drivetrain, fuel and safety stuff..
Advantage of a FI setup is I have a 'nothing' engine, I have gone 9.40s with a Z06 cam and unported heads with stock pushrods and an LS6 intake and close to 8s with a 222/228 XE cam with stock rockers and 918 springs. The car is even consistant enough to bracket race, little tougher to do that with nitrous.
i dont have to worry about the head and cam of the day, fancy light internal parts, intakes, high RPM and iits realted issues or filling a bottle - ever. Plus if it blows up its cheap to replace..
But if you are just looking to get from point A to pont B as quick and cheap as possible its hard to beat N2O.
Advantage of a FI setup is I have a 'nothing' engine, I have gone 9.40s with a Z06 cam and unported heads with stock pushrods and an LS6 intake and close to 8s with a 222/228 XE cam with stock rockers and 918 springs. The car is even consistant enough to bracket race, little tougher to do that with nitrous.
i dont have to worry about the head and cam of the day, fancy light internal parts, intakes, high RPM and iits realted issues or filling a bottle - ever. Plus if it blows up its cheap to replace..
But if you are just looking to get from point A to pont B as quick and cheap as possible its hard to beat N2O.
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Originally Posted by SLPSS99
Just courious(sp) to what you have for RWHP? and are you on pump gas or race gas? Also how many #s of boost? Those times are awesome for nothing crazy being done to the car, but it is awesome make me want to sell the bottle and go FI
Thats on 112 sunoco leaded with 20psi with the F1 on a 75 degree day on a 500' track. Last weekend I ran 9.17 @ 149.81 (couldnt get that 150 lol) with the D1 on a 50 degree day using C-16 but the car only 60 footed like 1.28 or so. Thats through a fairly quiet exhaust also (y-pipe/muffler).
Its not your average car but nothing fancy suspension wise, its NHRA legal andit idles like a stocker. Its a great restricted subdivision freindly race car and still has power stering, brakes, windows, bumper supports and all the stock wiring and could be daily driven without the cage and some comfy seats.
But its really hard to beat nitrous unless you are in it for the long haul..
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Decent strong basic bottom end, nothing fancy. Add blower and go as fast as car will handle. Tame it down a little while you add to the car if you have to. No more bottles, heating/cooling bottles, looking for refills at last minute, lines, timers, multi stages ect ect. When you're ready, set to kill and you will be all set, very consistent.
If you don't care how fast, then don't do either, N/A is the most fun, until the ET bug hits you, and you can't stand running the same pass after pass. Good luck.
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Decent strong basic bottom end, nothing fancy. Add blower and go as fast as car will handle. Tame it down a little while you add to the car if you have to. No more bottles, heating/cooling bottles, looking for refills at last minute, lines, timers, multi stages ect ect. When you're ready, set to kill and you will be all set, very consistent.
If you don't care how fast, then don't do either, N/A is the most fun, until the ET bug hits you, and you can't stand running the same pass after pass. Good luck.
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Originally Posted by kp
Depends what you want to run, faster you go the more it costs either way since you will spending the same amount of $$ on drivetrain, fuel and safety stuff..
Advantage of a FI setup is I have a 'nothing' engine, I have gone 9.40s with a Z06 cam and unported heads with stock pushrods and an LS6 intake and close to 8s with a 222/228 XE cam with stock rockers and 918 springs. The car is even consistant enough to bracket race, little tougher to do that with nitrous.
i dont have to worry about the head and cam of the day, fancy light internal parts, intakes, high RPM and iits realted issues or filling a bottle - ever. Plus if it blows up its cheap to replace..
But if you are just looking to get from point A to pont B as quick and cheap as possible its hard to beat N2O.
Advantage of a FI setup is I have a 'nothing' engine, I have gone 9.40s with a Z06 cam and unported heads with stock pushrods and an LS6 intake and close to 8s with a 222/228 XE cam with stock rockers and 918 springs. The car is even consistant enough to bracket race, little tougher to do that with nitrous.
i dont have to worry about the head and cam of the day, fancy light internal parts, intakes, high RPM and iits realted issues or filling a bottle - ever. Plus if it blows up its cheap to replace..
But if you are just looking to get from point A to pont B as quick and cheap as possible its hard to beat N2O.
kp your car is insain!! reading about your car is what got me thinking about FI becouse I still like to drive my car...why did you pick the z06 cam over some of the other FI cams out their? next time im in knoxville id love to see that beast in person
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I dont run the Z06 cam anymore, but I ran it because it was in the motor when I bought the car. I like to get the most I can out of things before I move on to something bigger and I think I got about all I could out of that cam
But really forced induction doesnt need that great of heads cam to work well, of course if you want to run 8s or 7s you need to get into some more radical heads/cam but 10s and 9s doesnt need much. But it does take some time to get everything right with a blower/turbo, where nitrous is pretty much instant gratification
But really forced induction doesnt need that great of heads cam to work well, of course if you want to run 8s or 7s you need to get into some more radical heads/cam but 10s and 9s doesnt need much. But it does take some time to get everything right with a blower/turbo, where nitrous is pretty much instant gratification
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Originally Posted by kp
I dont run the Z06 cam anymore, but I ran it because it was in the motor when I bought the car. I like to get the most I can out of things before I move on to something bigger and I think I got about all I could out of that cam
But really forced induction doesnt need that great of heads cam to work well, of course if you want to run 8s or 7s you need to get into some more radical heads/cam but 10s and 9s doesnt need much. But it does take some time to get everything right with a blower/turbo, where nitrous is pretty much instant gratification
But really forced induction doesnt need that great of heads cam to work well, of course if you want to run 8s or 7s you need to get into some more radical heads/cam but 10s and 9s doesnt need much. But it does take some time to get everything right with a blower/turbo, where nitrous is pretty much instant gratification
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It is an Either or deal. That is why I never under stood why people got so upset about N2O use.
It is a pay me now pay me later deal. Kind of.... With a blower you race all season(IF you do not ingest anything) after the car is done. Maybe some Alky to go every week and fuel.
Juice is cheaper in the begining but catches up fast. It cost $4 a Pound here. I take six bottles to the track and that is 12 passes. Each bottle has about 3 Pounds left when done. Not Enough for a full pass. So if I need more I need more bottles I need to pick up six more. so say I use up all six of the ones I have? That is say 40 Pounds Of Juice. I spent $160 On juice for the weekend. Plus fuel.
You can see juice add's up fast. Then again If you run a Blower all season it is always a good Idea to get it rebuilt adding to the cost of owning also
Like I was saying it is a push. Turbo's come in like blowers So again a Push.
Blower wins the 'Cool' factor hands down.
Turbo's kill the Sleeper factor every time.
And juice? Everyone thinks you are cheating and hates you Then again I win more then I should
It is a pay me now pay me later deal. Kind of.... With a blower you race all season(IF you do not ingest anything) after the car is done. Maybe some Alky to go every week and fuel.
Juice is cheaper in the begining but catches up fast. It cost $4 a Pound here. I take six bottles to the track and that is 12 passes. Each bottle has about 3 Pounds left when done. Not Enough for a full pass. So if I need more I need more bottles I need to pick up six more. so say I use up all six of the ones I have? That is say 40 Pounds Of Juice. I spent $160 On juice for the weekend. Plus fuel.
You can see juice add's up fast. Then again If you run a Blower all season it is always a good Idea to get it rebuilt adding to the cost of owning also
Like I was saying it is a push. Turbo's come in like blowers So again a Push.
Blower wins the 'Cool' factor hands down.
Turbo's kill the Sleeper factor every time.
And juice? Everyone thinks you are cheating and hates you Then again I win more then I should
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Originally Posted by TwoFast4Lv
You can see juice add's up fast. Then again If you run a Blower all season it is always a good Idea to get it rebuilt adding to the cost of owning also
And juice? Everyone thinks you are cheating and hates you Then again I win more then I should
But people think you are 'cheating' with a blower and turbo as well. Its pretty universal that if you are faster then someone, whether FI or nitrous or big solid roller n/a, your car is a 'race' car and theirs is a 'street' car lol.
If everyone did the same thing it would be pretty boring, I like seeing fast turbo, blower, nitrous or N/A cars. Once you reach a certain level, low 9s -high 8s, they all end up being about the same PITA anyways. By then you have a race car and the cost of safety equipment, keeping the car running and gettting it to the track is about even between them all..
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For me at least blowers seem to be a lil more stable, more easy to control, you have a constant load on the engine with a blower, the worst thing for engines is peddling, rattling the pistons, I think you'll do that more with nitrous than you will a well set-up blower or turbo.
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Originally Posted by TwoFast4Lv
After putting a ATI blower THROUGH a new engine in 1999 I feel it is just safer to get it done
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Originally Posted by kp
I once broke my toe walking up stairs, that doesnt mean I dont walk up stairs anymore I had a SQ vortech implode but I went and put the same one back on and had zero issues as well as the person I sold it to - can get a bad anything but exploding after a year certainly isnt the norm for a centrifugal supercharger..
At the time it was me and like a dozen other people Because I was pushing 14Psi Ati was not very helpfull. They did offer to sell me a new blower though
I Under stand things change and products get better but that explosion cost me around 12k in money I did not have to waste It was way cool do not get me wrong but the marks it left lingered long after it was gone.
One of our customers runs a D1SC. He had to have it done twice last year. Things happen. It is the cost you pay. I am used to it and choose my weapons accordinging.
I would run a blower again I just expect upkeep as with any thing As "I" Posted Blowers win the 'Cool' facter hands down