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Old Jan 7, 2008 | 12:54 AM
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I'm pretty new to auto's. I've got a Rossler T-braked TH400 with an ATI 4k converter. My 60' times are usually around 1.40-1.45 leaving off the t-brake around 2500-3000 rpm's, and I consistantly lift the wheels about 6 inches. Today, I did my burn, pre-staged and went to set the t-brake, which I use to stage. The car rolled into stage, I looked down, and noticed I forgot to put it back in 1st from 3rd gear. I get it up into 1st, hit the t-brake, floor it and take off. The wheels came up about 2 feet and I cut a 1.37 60'! Why? Did I accidentally flash the converter? Maybe I need to do it more often. I couldn't get my 60' time down under 1.40 the rest of the day.
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Old Jan 7, 2008 | 02:21 AM
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If you have it floored how is it flashing the converter?

Why are you only leaving at 2,500 - 3,000 rpm?

Are you spraying the car?

My car had a 4,500 stall and it left best floored on the motor and around 3,000 on the nitrous flashing the converter.

Best way to start is just launch at different rpms and see which nets you the best 60ft.

Some cars work better flashing the converter and some cars don't.

There are other things to consider, did you do the same burnout?

Was the tire pressure the same?

Do you check the tire pressure before each run?

Did they just prep the track before that pass?

What rpm did it stall to on that pass?

Do you have a log book to record settings, conditions and changes you make?
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Old Jan 7, 2008 | 03:58 AM
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If you have it floored how is it flashing the converter?

Why are you only leaving at 2,500 - 3,000 rpm?

Are you spraying the car? YES

My car had a 4,500 stall and it left best floored on the motor and around 3,000 on the nitrous flashing the converter.

Best way to start is just launch at different rpms and see which nets you the best 60ft.

Some cars work better flashing the converter and some cars don't.

There are other things to consider, did you do the same burnout? YES

Was the tire pressure the same? YES

Do you check the tire pressure before each run? YES

Did they just prep the track before that pass? NO

What rpm did it stall to on that pass?

Do you have a log book to record settings, conditions and changes you make? YES
I am spraying the car with a 150 wet shot out of the hole.

I know this is probably a retarded question, but I am new to automatics......so what excatly is "flashing the converter" and how do you do it?
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Old Jan 7, 2008 | 06:54 AM
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lol, to flash teh converter, all you do is go WOT. flash point is the maximum slip before a converter starts to (theoretically) go to lockup. leaving at idle, then flooring it is what most consider flashing the converter.
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Old Jan 7, 2008 | 01:06 PM
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LOL, with a 150 shot, I go on the trans brake, floor it, and the spray comes on once I let go of the button.... easy 1.38's and left with the fronts a foot off the ground.
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Old Jan 7, 2008 | 01:38 PM
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I had mine set up the same as jons, nitrous comes on as soon as the TB button is released.

What rpm will it stall to when you have it floored on the transbrake?
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Old Jan 7, 2008 | 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by RAGENZ28
I had mine set up the same as jons, nitrous comes on as soon as the TB button is released.

What rpm will it stall to when you have it floored on the transbrake?
I could take it to 7k with the tans brake if I wanted to. But that would be silly. I don't have a 2-step yet. My nitrous comes on at 3k rpm's, so if I launch at 3500, it kicks is as soon as the pedal hits the floor. I let off the t-brake and floor it at the same time.
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Old Jan 7, 2008 | 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Pro Stock John
LOL, with a 150 shot, I go on the trans brake, floor it, and the spray comes on once I let go of the button.... easy 1.38's and left with the fronts a foot off the ground.
when i finally get a rear in my car this will be the first method im going to try with my set up, my other option will be leaving off the 2step at 2,700 or so to get some flash.................... any ideas which will net better e.t's and 60's?
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Old Jan 8, 2008 | 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted by 02SS:ZEUS
I could take it to 7k with the tans brake if I wanted to. But that would be silly. I don't have a 2-step yet. My nitrous comes on at 3k rpm's, so if I launch at 3500, it kicks is as soon as the pedal hits the floor. I let off the t-brake and floor it at the same time.
So you have a 7000 stall? or are you just not sure?
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Old Jan 8, 2008 | 12:56 AM
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You need a two step. Until you get one, trying to find consistency when launching off of a transbrake (especially with nitrous) is going to be hard to come by. You need to be able to roll into the beams, hit the trans brake button, put your foot to the floor and then relase the button to launch the car.
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So you have a 7000 stall? or are you just not sure?
I have a 4k stall. The trans brake will let me go as high as I want....but it would be retarded for me to go up to the rev limiter.
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Old Jan 8, 2008 | 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by 02SS:ZEUS
I have a 4k stall. The trans brake will let me go as high as I want....but it would be retarded for me to go up to the rev limiter.
I don't think you quite understand how a TB works or you have a problem with your converter. A TB will only allow the motor to rev as high as the actual stall rating. If you had a 4k stall, it would only rev to 4k with your foot all the way on the floor and the TB button held down.

Basicly whatever your motor can rev to on the TB is what size stall you have. If you can really rev to 7k on the TB, then you have a 7k stall or some problem with your stall or transbrake.
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Originally Posted by bowtierodder
when i finally get a rear in my car this will be the first method im going to try with my set up, my other option will be leaving off the 2step at 2,700 or so to get some flash.................... any ideas which will net better e.t's and 60's?
Well like in my case, I don't have a 2step on this particular car so I leave off the transbrake with a 150 shot, so it leaves hard. Now if I put in this other converter I have, an ATI 5500, which is more of a motor converter, I will need a 2 step for nitrous (maybe even for motor). But I would not leave at 2700 for a 400-600 hp car. I've been leaving at 3600 with my turbo Formula and I probably need to bump that up to 4500.
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Old Jan 8, 2008 | 10:36 AM
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Yes that's a problem, my converter stalled to 4,500. My friends car I work on revs to 6,000 on the TB and he has a power glide trans and a motor that peaks at 8200.

If you're able to rev to 7,000 rpm there is something WAY wrong going on.

I would do as suggested, first figure out that problem, then setup the nitrous to not activate until the TB button is released, it's very easy to do and then put a two step in the car so you can find the best launch rpm.

I'd sure like to watch it leave at 7,000 though LOL.

You need to take the car out, put it in top gear, then with it around 2,500- 3,000 rpm floor the car and see what the rpm jumps too, if it jumps and pulls from 4k you have around a 4k stall, I would guess something is wrong with the TB activating, you can put it into park and rev to 7k, but if you're on the TB and it stalls to more than 4,000 something rpm something is messed up.
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