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Old Feb 10, 2008 | 11:00 AM
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i was wondering what kind of cage I need if im planning on going into the mid 9s, a roll bar is only good to 10 right? can I get away witha 6 or 8 pt?
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Old Feb 10, 2008 | 12:11 PM
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you wont get away with a rollbar unless your local track is easy on tech. best bet is to just do a full cage not only for tech but for your own protection. you dont necessarily need a 25.5 cage or anything, just a nice 10 point.
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Old Feb 10, 2008 | 02:44 PM
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a 6 or 8 point cage is legal to 8.50 now. depending on the car and the construction, most cars that run subframe connectors require the short gusset tubes from the side of the main hoop to the connectors. this makes up the 7th and 8th points. you do not need a dash crossbar unless you have removed a portion of the floor or firewall.
keep in mind... a 6 or 8 point roll bar is not a cage. a cage requires bars down the "a" pillars and a top halo to the windshield.
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Old Feb 10, 2008 | 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ssvert99
a 6 or 8 point cage is legal to 8.50 now.
I don't believe that. It was 11.99 for a 6 point, then 11.49. Why would they let you run a 6 or 8 point to 8.50?
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Old Feb 10, 2008 | 08:15 PM
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5 point rollbar is good down to 10.00

10 point cage is good down to 8.50
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Old Feb 10, 2008 | 08:18 PM
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LMT- your gonna run 9's huh? I better not tell chuck!
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Old Feb 10, 2008 | 09:40 PM
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i plan on runningin the 9.5s when i get all the body work and that done on my car and drop the new power plant in for a cage in running a a nice 10 point with a few extras such as a funny car halo, and a diagnoal bar across the t tops. im also going to have the cage made so that if i ever plan on running faster it could be 25.5 or 25.2 convertable.
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Old Feb 11, 2008 | 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Matt D
I don't believe that. It was 11.99 for a 6 point, then 11.49. Why would they let you run a 6 or 8 point to 8.50?

read the post... it says 6 or 8 pt. CAGE. i went on to describe this... a roll bar is NOT a cage!

the rules are 11.49 for a 5 pt. roll bar. 9.99 for a full cage which is legal to 8.50. then the 25.5 stuff starts.

rules are different for convertibles.
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Originally Posted by ssvert99
read the post... it says 6 or 8 pt. CAGE. i went on to describe this... a roll bar is NOT a cage!

the rules are 11.49 for a 5 pt. roll bar. 9.99 for a full cage which is legal to 8.50. then the 25.5 stuff starts.

rules are different for convertibles.
I read what you said, but it was not accurate. There is no such thing as a 6 or 8 point CAGE. Those are roll bars. It doesn't become a CAGE until you go with a 10 point, for the 9.99 to 8.50 cert. That's at least how they do it in the NHRA and NMCA rulebook that I go by for my car and use for Late Model EFI and Brackets. I know all about the safety rules; they are ***** at Route 66...
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LMT- your gonna run 9's huh? I better not tell chuck!
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Originally Posted by Matt D
I read what you said, but it was not accurate. There is no such thing as a 6 or 8 point CAGE. Those are roll bars. It doesn't become a CAGE until you go with a 10 point, for the 9.99 to 8.50 cert. That's at least how they do it in the NHRA and NMCA rulebook that I go by for my car and use for Late Model EFI and Brackets. I know all about the safety rules; they are ***** at Route 66...
Actually it is correct....points refer to floor intersect points.

need 8-pt minimum

front A-pillars: 2 points
Main Hoop: 2 points
Rear Bars: 2 points
Support diagonals (off main hoop): 2 points

Thats a total of 8 points
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does an 8 pt. require you to remove the back seats, also can you have swingouts on the doors?
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Old Feb 11, 2008 | 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by lmt0705
does an 8 pt. require you to remove the back seats, also can you have swingouts on the doors?
don't have to remove the back seat...but its pretty pointless since the harness bar is a fully welded piece (kinda hard to get into the back seats)

yes you can have swingouts down to 8.50 ET
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Old Feb 11, 2008 | 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Fireball
Actually it is correct....points refer to floor intersect points.

need 8-pt minimum

front A-pillars: 2 points
Main Hoop: 2 points
Rear Bars: 2 points
Support diagonals (off main hoop): 2 points

Thats a total of 8 points
I have never seen a 10 point cage referred to as a 8 point, but I get what you're saying. Everyone who drag races frequently knows what a roll BAR vs a CAGE is. They are commonly referred to as a 5, 6, or 8 point BAR, or a 10 point CAGE. Look at Wolfe's site. I don't want some kid to come on here and read that he can have a 6 point and run all the way down to 8.50s without seeing that one word difference between CAGE and BAR. I think that is the most common misused terms in the drag racing world. If they would pick up a $5 rule book, all of the misconceptions and false info read on the net would be thrown out the window.
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Old Feb 11, 2008 | 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Matt D
If they would pick up a $5 rule book, all of the misconceptions and false info read on the net would be thrown out the window.
I think that should be a requirement for anyone who wants to post a safety related question...read the rulebook first
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Originally Posted by Fireball
I think that should be a requirement for anyone who wants to post a safety related question...read the rulebook first
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there ya go...

most cars with a full frame(malibu/chevelle, trucks, Monte Carlo, Caprice, etc) are legal to 8.50 with a 6 point cage. it is not required to go forward of or through the dash. the NHRA rules state all points must connect to the frame if so equipped from the factory. the rules simply state "forward and lateral support of the main hoop" and a cage must "protect the driver 360 degrees".
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I would recommend through floor subframes and a standard 8/10 point "cage" whatever they are labeled these days.
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Old Apr 23, 2008 | 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt@New Era
LMT- your gonna run 9's huh? I better not tell chuck!
Yeah better not.
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My cage was designed to run around the back seat with a hoop, and my backseat is installed. You can get in there(I can and i'm 6'1), but I wouldnt reccomend it. I just wanted it to look like a street car.
Its got halo bar and " a pillar" downtubes, main hoop w/ supports running inward towards tunnel, a loop that runs from main hoop and around right behind the back seat and then has 2 bars run from the hoop down. And its NHRA certified.

Just to clear up the back seat thing...
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