Suspension guys.... what is wrong with the way this car rolls out?
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Suspension guys.... what is wrong with the way this car rolls out?
It seems to lift the front than fall back down.... doesnt lift much. The back doesnt appear to be squating. I know it is on drag radials and street wheels but I wanted to see how much it squats and lifts.
I dont have adj. coilovers or shocks.
Suspension setup is:
-Stock Shocks
-Eibach Lowering Springs (all 4 corners)
-BMR Extreme Torque Arm
-BMR Transmission mount
-Wolfe Racecraft adjustible solid lower control arms
-Wolfe Racecraft rear solid anti-sway bar
Pinion angle is -1.5 degrees.
60ft on those tires was a 1.51 and the pass above 1.59 (partially due to spinning the tires)
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Leaving asy like that will never get you anywhere, the car needs to leave hard.
Get those tires off of there, some real slicks will tell the story. You will need adjustable shocks that I can guarintee as well.
What does it mph like that and what does the car weigh, that will tell the story as to what it should be running.
Get those tires off of there, some real slicks will tell the story. You will need adjustable shocks that I can guarintee as well.
What does it mph like that and what does the car weigh, that will tell the story as to what it should be running.
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Leaving asy like that will never get you anywhere, the car needs to leave hard.
Get those tires off of there, some real slicks will tell the story. You will need adjustable shocks that I can guarintee as well.
What does it mph like that and what does the car weigh, that will tell the story as to what it should be running.
Get those tires off of there, some real slicks will tell the story. You will need adjustable shocks that I can guarintee as well.
What does it mph like that and what does the car weigh, that will tell the story as to what it should be running.
MPH's around 101 like that.... and
Originally posted by Realpm
i was pretty impressed with the power and weight so I will tell you what it ran.
6.62 @102.4 w/ 1.46 60ft
The one other thing we need to change is the nitrous button. It needs to be on a full throttle switch, its wired to the button on the top of a b&m ratchet shifter. Not easy to hold down while shifting. Other than that it should be ready for more bottle.
i was pretty impressed with the power and weight so I will tell you what it ran.
6.62 @102.4 w/ 1.46 60ft
The one other thing we need to change is the nitrous button. It needs to be on a full throttle switch, its wired to the button on the top of a b&m ratchet shifter. Not easy to hold down while shifting. Other than that it should be ready for more bottle.
Originally posted by Realpm
Not when you take in to account the timing was backed down for the bottle mark. Think big picture! With nitrous timing the car makes 420 on motor. So actually picked up 160 down low and 146 up top. So all in all not bad actually. We were being a little conservative due to it being the first time we sprayed it. Ran good last night though, oh and the car weighs 3795 with manuel in it. He weighs 185
Not when you take in to account the timing was backed down for the bottle mark. Think big picture! With nitrous timing the car makes 420 on motor. So actually picked up 160 down low and 146 up top. So all in all not bad actually. We were being a little conservative due to it being the first time we sprayed it. Ran good last night though, oh and the car weighs 3795 with manuel in it. He weighs 185
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On motor I brake it to 1500 than flash the converter at the light... on the bottle I didnt know what to do... haven't had a chance to figure it out since getting the pinion angle set correctly by RPM vs the other folks not setting it up right and having it at +9
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Maybe I also have an issue with how to drive the car.
I have not had much seat time.
How would you guys work the car down the track?
60ft:
-Footbrake to 1500 and flash?
-Powerbrake till it bumps and hold it to 3k+ on the line?
-Stay off the pedal... lightly hold the brake and then mash the pedal?
mph:
-early shift first
-spin the car up close to the limmiter (around 7000+rpm) and dont shift to 3rd
-Shift to 3rd early
-shift the car low around 6krpm
As you can see, I havent started working on how to drive the car. I just drive it. Now I have managed to start working on my .300 and .400 lights..... I am now in the .100 range. That will come down with more practice very quick.
I have not had much seat time.
How would you guys work the car down the track?
60ft:
-Footbrake to 1500 and flash?
-Powerbrake till it bumps and hold it to 3k+ on the line?
-Stay off the pedal... lightly hold the brake and then mash the pedal?
mph:
-early shift first
-spin the car up close to the limmiter (around 7000+rpm) and dont shift to 3rd
-Shift to 3rd early
-shift the car low around 6krpm
As you can see, I havent started working on how to drive the car. I just drive it. Now I have managed to start working on my .300 and .400 lights..... I am now in the .100 range. That will come down with more practice very quick.
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One more tidbit, don't stop the burnout in the box. Your just rolling throught the water and draging it up to the line with you. You should always power out of the box so water doesn't get trapped in the tire thread. Just my two cents. I like your car, and good luck with it.
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One more tidbit, don't stop the burnout in the box. Your just rolling throught the water and draging it up to the line with you. You should always power out of the box so water doesn't get trapped in the tire thread. Just my two cents. I like your car, and good luck with it.
my pass was a 1.51 (the vid is on my webpage: http://408ws6transam.googlepages.com/home )
his was a 1.59
What else fellas?
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Drag radials don't need a long burn out, get them spinning and at the first sign of smoke let off the line lock and let the car roll forward out of the burn out. Doing too much of a burnout can ball the rubber up which will also take away optimum traction potential of the tire.
As far as launching and shifting try each one, one at a time and see which on works best for your car, keep a log book with all of your track times and suspension settings and only make one change each pass, if the car slows down go back to the settings before and try something else.
As far as launching and shifting try each one, one at a time and see which on works best for your car, keep a log book with all of your track times and suspension settings and only make one change each pass, if the car slows down go back to the settings before and try something else.
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Drag radials don't need a long burn out, get them spinning and at the first sign of smoke let off the line lock and let the car roll forward out of the burn out. Doing too much of a burnout can ball the rubber up which will also take away optimum traction potential of the tire.
That is pretty much what I have heard as well. His burnout was long...he said I wasnt doing a long enough one, but apparently with a better 60ft the extra heat didnt help em.
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As far as launching and shifting try each one, one at a time and see which on works best for your car, keep a log book with all of your track times and suspension settings and only make one change each pass, if the car slows down go back to the settings before and try something else.
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You have Zero wieght transfer. Zero. Car really isn't doing much leaving to speak of.
Lowering springs aren't helping, car looks to have too much rake for your power level right now. List goes on and on. hehe
I would start with adjustable Hals all around, get back to stock height and level the car front to back. Car is heavy so you may as well start with the front shocks at "0" and set the rears around "6".
Start there and see how she goes.
Lowering springs aren't helping, car looks to have too much rake for your power level right now. List goes on and on. hehe
I would start with adjustable Hals all around, get back to stock height and level the car front to back. Car is heavy so you may as well start with the front shocks at "0" and set the rears around "6".
Start there and see how she goes.
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You have Zero wieght transfer. Zero. Car really isn't doing much leaving to speak of.
Lowering springs aren't helping, car looks to have too much rake for your power level right now. List goes on and on. hehe
I would start with adjustable Hals all around, get back to stock height and level the car front to back. Car is heavy so you may as well start with the front shocks at "0" and set the rears around "6".
Start there and see how she goes.
Lowering springs aren't helping, car looks to have too much rake for your power level right now. List goes on and on. hehe
I would start with adjustable Hals all around, get back to stock height and level the car front to back. Car is heavy so you may as well start with the front shocks at "0" and set the rears around "6".
Start there and see how she goes.
Now that is what I was looking for.
What are some good cheap springs? V6 springs... car is fairly heavy. Also.... does anyone have pics of such a setup. And can someone verify that the Eibachs are not the setup to keep. Just a request for a second opinion. I will ask the shop next time I speak to em.
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another problem youll have is the amount of torque you produce with tha 4" stroke motor.... youll need a progressor to get it hooked and keep it powering up.... more than likely you'll launch it on a small shot and gradually pour the power to it to the 60ft mark... then it should be wide open.....
again just guessing....
again just guessing....
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Hello, as a few others have stated you need some good shocks and the springs. We offer both Strange and QA1. Depending on your budget if you can swing it go with the double adjustables, if thats not an option the single adjustables will be 100% better than the stock shocks. As far as the springs go you will only need rear springs because the front are coil overs. The springs are not affecting you car as much as the shocks are. If you have any questions please give me a call and we can determine whats best for your car. Our sales/tech dept is open MON-FRI 8:30AM-6:00PM EST. Here is a link to our site.
http://www.bmrfabrication.com/F-bodySuspension.htm
http://www.bmrfabrication.com/F-bodySuspension.htm
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When I was running the radials I had the best luck bringing the rpm up to about 1100 just enough so the TB had air flowing thru it and the car would respond quickly, and stab the gas as hard and fast as I could, letting off the brake as I did this.
The car definately isn't transferring weight. Put a set of stock springs on the back, you don't nessassarily need the v6 ones, regular stock ws6 springs, ss springs z28 springs whatever will be fine. the fronts I would put the 300 lb hal's on the car with the weight that you're at, the 275's will be too soft for a car as heavy as yours is.
With a motor tune in the car, you should be able to run about 10.8 at that weight, with 445 rw and a 3650 raceweight I got mine down to 10.8 at a track that's far from the fastest in the country.
With the nitrous, it depends how much you are spraying, timing, all that. I'm gonna say with a 150 shot and a relstivly conservative tuneup you should be able to go about 10.1 with that power level and raceweight if the car leaves good, good being like 1.45 or better 60 foot.