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Old Jul 10, 2009 | 04:10 AM
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I just got done installing an HKE built 402,Midwest Chassis 9", SPEC twin disc,custom fuel system, and full suspension.Drove the car around for about 130 miles and went to the dyno for some tuning.
My engine combo consists of:
-8cc Wiseco pistons
TFS 225 cc heads
251/259 .624/.624 110+4
Victor Jr Intake
Intakeelbows.com elbow
NW90mm TB
85mm MAF
TSP 1/78 headers
TSP 3" off-road Y-pipe
As far as I know the total timing was 9 degrees over stock
The numbers were 441rwhp and 423rwtq
I know that I might be leaving some power left on the table with the elbow on top of the intake, perhaps maybe some with the intake not being port matched to the heads.I'm just curious as to why these numbers seem so ridiculously low. If anyone has any type of insight let me know.
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Old Jul 10, 2009 | 09:23 AM
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I've never been impressed with the elbow TB setup. They just don't seem to make good power.
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Old Jul 10, 2009 | 12:17 PM
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It does seem very very very low...

A cutoff wouldnt hurt too.
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Old Jul 10, 2009 | 03:09 PM
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I'd say the power is definitely off.It's not the intake/90/tb setup. A -8cc piston might bring the compression too low depending on the head cc.
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Old Jul 10, 2009 | 03:28 PM
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The compression is 10.8-1, which isn't extremely low but not as high as other setups out there. I don't feel like the half point in compression would account for the hp and tq to be down so much.What other ideas do you guys have? I would really like to get this thing putting out as much as it should.
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Old Jul 10, 2009 | 03:44 PM
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Does the car feel like a 440 rwhp car, or does it feel like a 550 rwhp car ?? If you answered 550 rwhp that is where you should be with a setup like yours.

Just take a look at my sig. Much less aggressive and makes 541 rwhp 505 rwtq.

What kind of dyno?

What cc are the 225's miled to? That 1/2 point of compression could be hurting more then you think.

How does the power/tq feel down low? How is throttle response? Like someone already said, ditch the elbow. There is a thread about a guy that swapped his 90* elbow for some other type, sorry I can't remember what he got but he picked up some serious power.

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you have an heavy drivetrain, are you auto?
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you have an heavy drivetrain, are you auto?
Good question, but when people don't say a4 or stalled a4, or whatever then I just assume m6. ??
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Originally Posted by allngn_c5
Good question, but when people don't say a4 or stalled a4, or whatever then I just assume m6. ??


And OP your power is way off

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Originally Posted by allngn_c5
Does the car feel like a 440 rwhp car, or does it feel like a 550 rwhp car ?? If you answered 550 rwhp that is where you should be with a setup like yours.

Just take a look at my sig. Much less aggressive and makes 541 rwhp 505 rwtq.

What kind of dyno?

What cc are the 225's miled to? That 1/2 point of compression could be hurting more then you think.

How does the power/tq feel down low? How is throttle response? Like someone already said, ditch the elbow. There is a thread about a guy that swapped his 90* elbow for some other type, sorry I can't remember what he got but he picked up some serious power.
The heads are out of the box 225's, they have a 65cc chamber, bringing the compression with the gaskets in around 10.8-1.To be completely honest the suspension isn't even dialed in yet and the car is all over the place so it's really hard to figure out how the car really feels.One major thing that has been bothering me is the fact that we ran on a dyno dynamics dyno and it has been known to be pretty hp happy.So that is not leaning in my favor at all...The trq down low is pretty good it wants to spin the tires any chance it gets and the throttle response is really good also.I have been thinking about switching out to a Accufab 4bbl TB, but only if there are no other alternatives to finding the lost power.
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Old Jul 11, 2009 | 05:16 AM
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Oh yeah it is also an M6, I thought the SPEC twin disc was enough info on what trans was in the car.
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Who is your tuner, and what do they say ??
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