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Old 09-04-2012, 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by zx10rcobra
you guys that get caught up in all this bullshit over dyno numbers are funny... do you really think he picked up 77wtq off of a slight cam change and a different head, over a already ported LS3 head? obviously not.


I went from 469rwhp unlocked 4l80e to 546rwhp. Changes were:

AFR 225's to PRC 237's
11-1 CR to 13-1 CR
245/260 .646/.629 to 254/260 .629/.625
4L80e to a glide with a very loose verter
Also removed a dead electric water pump

New combo needs better springs as it falls off the Earth at 6,600..

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Originally Posted by zx10rcobra
you guys that get caught up in all this bullshit over dyno numbers are funny... do you really think he picked up 77wtq off of a slight cam change and a different head, over a already ported LS3 head? obviously not.
You need to read the 1st post again.. he made 485 rwhp/455 rwtq SAE to begin with. The then swapped heads and made 518 rwhp SAE and 532 rwhp STD.. he did not post the torque gains but they are apparent in the new graph he posted which indicates 477 rwtq.. nice try though..
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Originally Posted by veee8
We do tons of cams in LS3's....470 to 480 is about max on a LS3. 500 on a 6.2L is a stretch for cam only.
Anyone care to comment on the info in this link, in reference to the quoted comment above ?

http://www.gmhightechperformance.com...n/viewall.html

Thanks !
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Originally Posted by ez2cdave
Anyone care to comment on the info in this link, in reference to the quoted comment above ?

http://www.gmhightechperformance.com...n/viewall.html

Thanks !
The results in the link you posted are on an engine dyno, not a loaded chassis dyno as Veee8 is referring to when he says a stretch for cam only LS3 is around 500 to the rear.
Old 10-17-2012, 06:16 AM
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I've been saying for years - since 2006 - that the L92/LS3 heads just don't work. Nobody listens.
Old 10-17-2012, 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by BES Stroked Nova
I dont agree. and I'll explain why.

LS3 intake sucks. no way around it. and A LOT of guys spec cams for these heads and totally miss it.

MY setup is as fallows.

GMPP 6.0L block, stock bore
2007 LY6 rotating assembly, installed in said block.
flycut stock pistons .100" for intake and exhaust was already done cause of DOD piston.
L92's milled .070" to get compression up. Also a street port on heads, nothing crazy here.
Custom Spec Bullet Racing by Tony Bischoff from BES Racing Engines.
242/246 655 625 108 lsa Has some good lobe profiles from what I was told.
GMPP L92 single plane intake
Edelbrock Ultra low profile elbow
Holley 90MM TB.

M6 car
9", spool, 4.86 gears(no dyno queen here) with 28" slicks on dyno.

It made a touch over 500whp, making power all the way to the peak of 7500, and never really fell off till it hit rev limiter of 8200(yeah stock rods with ARP 2000's)

Yes its a rev happy little 6.0L. I street drove it, I drag raced the **** out of it with over 200 passes on it. Ran a best of 10.91 at 127 3820lb raceweight, so it backs up the dyno numbers it laid down.... and if not better after more tuning was done at the track.

I have out ran just about every 408 402 setup around here. I know one setup has Tick flow 235's, fast 102 intake, but cant run the ET mine does, and dyno's about the same.

I didnt really like the comparing LS3's with stock ls3 intake to a aftermarket cathedral port Trick flow 235 and 102mm. like apple's to oranges to me. I honestly think a L92 head really wants a single plane intake, I cant wait till my 6.0L finally dies so I can try out a Victor Jr L92 intake and a 4150 TB.


BUT Nice number none the less!
Ls3 is always very close to the FAST intake 102mm... I think its a very potent piece.
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Originally Posted by djfury05
The results in the link you posted are on an engine dyno, not a loaded chassis dyno as Veee8 is referring to when he says a stretch for cam only LS3 is around 500 to the rear.
OK . . . Thanks for clearing that up !
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Originally Posted by Patrick G
I could not disagree more. It's totally the heads. I have seen TFS 235 heads consistently pick up anywhere from 30-40 over stock or ported LS3 heads on 402-408 engines...every time. You L92 lovers have to understand that these heads are not ideal for a 4" bore. The big 2.165" intake valve is slammed right next to the chamber wall and cylinder bore. Might flow well at 28" of H2O but it does not make great power on a real running engine...not compared to a well designed cathedral port head. Ask Mike C. He's done the same exercise and had the same results. I had similar gains taking off L92 heads on my L76 engine and replacing them with AFR 230 heads.
Originally Posted by blackonblacksls
How do cam only ls3 cars make 500+ but a 400+ cube motor can't?
I have a 2002 Camaro Z28 with a Built 402ci engine and Trickflow 215cnc heads on them. We replaced the intake valves from the stock 2.040 to 2.055 and left the exhaust valves alone. We also opened up the bore to 4" to match the engine. The intake that is on the motor is a ported Fast 90mm intake and it has a Custom EPS cam and is also tuned by Geoff himself. This engine just layed down 483rwhp SAE corrected N/A, pumps gas through a th350, PTC 8" 4000 RPM stall converter, Strange 12 bolt rearend with a 3.73 gear. I have gone 10.39@129mph with this setup. I should see some better N/A numers soon because Geoff just retuned the car last weekend and we picked up another 30rwhp just going S/D tune. My car isn't stripped down by any means and it weighs in at 3540lbs with me in it. The reason I am posting this is because people always talk or quote HP#'s!! There are a lot of cars out there that show biggers #'s on the dyno than my car does but doesn't run near as well as my car does.
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I think what a lot of guys are missing is even though you have 400+ cubes, they still only have a 4.0 bore. Ive come to learn that to really take advantage of ls3 heads, you need a minimum of a 4.030 bore
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Originally Posted by Tainted
I think what a lot of guys are missing is even though you have 400+ cubes, they still only have a 4.0 bore. Ive come to learn that to really take advantage of ls3 heads, you need a minimum of a 4.030 bore
More like 4.060 or 4.125+ bore especially in ported form.
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Originally Posted by veee8
More like 4.060 or 4.125+ bore especially in ported form.
How far can you bore a stock iron 6.0 block safely. I was thinking about doing a 408 6.0 with AI CNC'd LS3 heads and a Fast 102 on it but after reading this I'm 2nd guessing it now.
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Originally Posted by Its Slo
How far can you bore a stock iron 6.0 block safely. I was thinking about doing a 408 6.0 with AI CNC'd LS3 heads and a Fast 102 on it but after reading this I'm 2nd guessing it now.
Aluminum you cant bore. Iron blocks safely to 4.030 and sometimes more if the block checks out ok.

** edit, apparently aluminum blocks can be bored *sometimes* this is still shakey on what you can and cant do, it all boils down to roll the dice and see

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Originally Posted by Tainted
Aluminum you cant bore. Iron blocks safely to 4.030 and sometimes more if the block checks out ok.
Thanks. I was gonna use a iron block.
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Originally Posted by Tainted
Aluminum you cant bore. Iron blocks safely to 4.030 and sometimes more if the block checks out ok.
here LQ9 bored to 4.070"
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Originally Posted by lt1773
here LQ9 bored to 4.070"
Like I said, if the block checks out. The earlier gen 3 blocks arent as forgiving with core shift.
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Just thought I'd share a little update on this motor....here she is now sitting in my 1969 Chevelle frame. I'll post a new dyno sheet once RPM tunes it again just to continue the number arguement
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Originally Posted by veee8
More like 4.060 or 4.125+ bore especially in ported form.
Someone that gets it!!!!!!!!!

This thread is good for some laughs even now being as old as it is.
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Originally Posted by JRMClassics
Just thought I'd share a little update on this motor....here she is now sitting in my 1969 Chevelle frame. I'll post a new dyno sheet once RPM tunes it again just to continue the number arguement
I found this thread when searching for other stock displacement LS2 builds.
Any updates on your motor and Chevelle?



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