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Old 03-18-2004, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by JS

Look at Lyda Cains car.
VERY IMPRESSIVE setup,I think she made 407 unlocked and once TX speed adds the 90TB/LSX I think she's got a good chance at hitting 427 unlocked,then with a locked verter I would expect about 15RW more,I dont know if she has a 12-bolt or not but the bottom line her car should be close to 440RW and she's backed it up with ET's to match given the hp.
she made 409 i believe through a 10 bolt w/ 4.10's...i think Trevors car made like 420 if im not mistaken and both of them ran 10's with little trouble. These are combos that in am m6 car would probably put down 480-490 to the wheels.
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Originally Posted by foff667
she made 409 i believe through a 10 bolt w/ 4.10's...i think Trevors car made like 420 if im not mistaken and both of them ran 10's with little trouble. These are combos that in am m6 car would probably put down 480-490 to the wheels.
No way. Unless you are talking Flywheel HP... Maybe 440 - 450 rwhp at the most. There is only a 5% difference in drive train loss between a M6 and an A4
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Originally Posted by foff667
she made 409 i believe through a 10 bolt w/ 4.10's...i think Trevors car made like 420 if im not mistaken and both of them ran 10's with little trouble. These are combos that in am m6 car would probably put down 480-490 to the wheels.
That seems a little exaggerated.

All I really care about is how it does at the drag strip. I have no idea what my race weight is but I've done a lot to lighten it up. Still have the carpet, radio, dash, inside panels, speakers, etc. No more A/C though.

I've been wanting to upgrade to one of the big cams out there and get a really good set of heads to match. Might as well get the bigger intake and TB too. However, I've been dissappointed with the response, or lack there of, from some of our vendors. I've asked three of the top vendors to send me a quote for the above mentioned mods and have received no response from any of them. I guess they all have so much business they don't need another $5 grand+ more.
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I missed where he asked for specifics such as,12 bolt,4:10s.All my numbers are in my sig but the most important and TRUE test is the 1/4 mile which will happen in 2 weeks.Dyno numbers dont mean **** to me in fact I dont like dynos,they seem to eat automatics up.

I have no idea what it will run but 11.0s with 395 rwhp LOCKED vs 430 UNlocked should put it into the 10s.BTW-my Yank has always had about a 10 rwhp diff lock to unlock.
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JFM - Go run that thing already. We have been waiting since last year... Seriously though, that car should fly.
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Car has been down since last November.It will run exactly as it was set up with the old Absolute Heads/224 cam in just a bit more power.I want to add a FAST intake and 90mm TB,do something with that restrictive FLP Y pipe and get it retuned but not until I get some 1/4 mile passes as is.
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Originally Posted by JS
The GX3 cam is HUUUUGE (239-245 620-620) come on thats not the average cam.
You've been hanging out at Cartek too long. The G5X3 is WAY smaller than that (Both in terms of duration and lift). Its size would surprise everyone who thinks it is such a huge cam. Half the "big cams" out today dwarf the G5X3.
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G5X3, Magic Stick, TRex, they are all big to me. G5X3 is the smallest I think.
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Originally Posted by 2001 Pewter WS6
No way. Unless you are talking Flywheel HP... Maybe 440 - 450 rwhp at the most. There is only a 5% difference in drive train loss between a M6 and an A4
ok tsp's car just dynoed w/locked converter @447.3x1.05=469.7hp so i was basically 10hp off according to the 5% rule...he's also got a 12 bolt w/4.30 gears so even according to your math its pretty damn close
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Spanky there Gx2 was 232-240 dont get cute,Cartek Smartek I dont hang on peoples *****.I got some info on this cam and was told by a few it was in the 239-245 range and 600+ lift,If I'm off alittle bit so be it but I can tell u this much my cam is NOWARE near that big.

The GX3 is a BIG CAM PERIOD,U know it and so does everyone else.
Its no secret....
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JS,what were your old dyno numbers that used to be in your sig?I have them somewhere but thought that you made some big numbers.
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Originally Posted by JS
I got some info on this cam and was told by a few it was in the 239-245 range and 600+ lift,If I'm off alittle bit so be it The GX3 is a BIG CAM PERIOD,U know it and so does everyone else.
Its no secret....
Well, according to the cam card I have sitting here, it is nowhere near that size. It is a good 3-5 degrees smaller and .10-.20 less lift than you claim . Like I said, its actual specs may surprise all you "OMG! Its a huuuuuuge" guys, thats all I'm saying. Of course, "I heard some info from a few guys" is almost always more trustworthy than a cam card from them clowns at Comp.

This thread was wanting info on who has hit 440 with an A4. JFM did, period. Just because you're willing to settle for 425, don't knock those who are willing to push the envelope to achieve 440+.

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Originally Posted by foff667
ok tsp's car just dynoed w/locked converter @447.3x1.05=469.7hp so i was basically 10hp off according to the 5% rule...he's also got a 12 bolt w/4.30 gears so even according to your math its pretty damn close
Hey Retard Don't go changing your previous post around and try to stick something in my face . You posted that an A4 making 409rwhp would be equivalent to an M6 making 480 - 490rwhp. I said no way. Now you come up with some 447 number and add the 5% difference I spoke about and come up with a 470 number to try and justify your stupidity.

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Spanky I think u need to rethink your post
JFM did it threw OPEN HEADERS,I did it threw a cutout and a y attached to the car last yr.(Not taking anything away from JFM)

I made 441RW over a yr ago...
I lost over 10RW once I added the 12-bolt.

Wanna know what I think of my dyno numbers.
BIG DEAL,They dont mean squat if the car dont run....

If JFM puts a 12 bolt in his car it'll drop 10RW and if he puts his Y back on it'll drop another 10 easy(I think he actually lost like 17 with it on)

I agree with u some guys push the envelope as I'm one of them as is JFM.
He is running a stout setup with Jays killer heads/GX3,U figure if he loses 25RW from his 446 number (421) doing what I just said then once he locks it back up he'll make 440RW again,more if he runs it w/open headers

Again like JFM sez,dyno's are a joke for a auto.
Its a tuning device,nothing more.

The GX3 is in the high 230's to low 40's with over 600 lift.
Tell ya what Spanky lets see once the specs are out,If I'm wrong I'll appoligize to u toot sweet but if I'm right u have to do the same for me..

In no way am I knocking LG
There stuff ROCKS!!!

Cya buddy...

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Originally Posted by 2001 Pewter WS6
Hey Retard Don't go changing your previous post around and try to stick something in my face . You posted that an A4 making 409rwhp would be equivalent to an M6 making 480 - 490rwhp. I said no way. Now you come up with some 447 number and add the 5% difference I spoke about and come up with a 470 number to try and justify your stupidity.
LOL

I noticed the play with numbers also. He'd make an excellent politician!

These big high horsepower cams that are being mentioned, does anyone have track numbers that justify the horsepower they are putting down? Just curious.
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Originally Posted by 2001 Pewter WS6
Hey Retard Don't go changing your previous post around and try to stick something in my face . You posted that an A4 making 409rwhp would be equivalent to an M6 making 480 - 490rwhp. I said no way. Now you come up with some 447 number and add the 5% difference I spoke about and come up with a 470 number to try and justify your stupidity.
I think trevors car made somewhere in the neigborhood of 420 unlocked and 447 locked then i used your calculation and came up with 470 if it was a 6 speed...if you think im playing with #'s too much im sorry but thats not what i meant to do...i used both camarocains #'s of 409 and trevors car which like i just stated I think make in the 420's unlocked & 447 locked. What do you want me to say Im just making up the #'s as I go along now? Bottom line is according to your 5% theory if completely accurate for a 200r4 that trevors running would equate to around 470 in a manual car.
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Originally Posted by PewterZ28
These big high horsepower cams that are being mentioned, does anyone have track numbers that justify the horsepower they are putting down? Just curious.
I'd like to know this too. Other than the two tsp cars asforementioned
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I went 122.98 MPH dynoing 440RW threw my auto at 3460lbs (-240DA)
Thats with a Cartek 224-224 580-580 113LSA

Fairly small cam if u ask me?
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Originally Posted by JS
I went 122.98 MPH dynoing 440RW threw my auto at 3460lbs (-240DA)
Thats with a Cartek 224-224 580-580 113LSA

Fairly small cam if u ask me?
are ya sure your not rowing gears in that thing jk very nice numbers with such a "small out of date cam" carteks always made great #'s even with those smaller cams for whatever reason...their heads must be just that good?
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Originally Posted by foff667
I think trevors car made somewhere in the neigborhood of 420 unlocked and 447 locked then i used your calculation and came up with 470 if it was a 6 speed...if you think im playing with #'s too much im sorry but thats not what i meant to do...i used both camarocains #'s of 409 and trevors car which like i just stated I think make in the 420's unlocked & 447 locked. What do you want me to say Im just making up the #'s as I go along now? Bottom line is according to your 5% theory if completely accurate for a 200r4 that trevors running would equate to around 470 in a manual car.
I am not trying to start any thing, but if you look at Treavor's numbers. If he was at 420rwhp unlocked and 447 locked and you used my 5% assumption then yes he would be in the 470rwhp ball park. That is a 50 hp difference. Now lets take a step back. You origionall said that Lynda's card put down 409rwhp we can agree on that right. Then she would be around 455-460 in an M6. That was the origional numbers we were speaking of. Excellent numbers and nothing to sneeze at but no where close to 490. Not trying to prove anything except there isn't as much difference in dyno numbers between an A4 and a M6 as you might think. The only accurate way to exactly find out would be to swap trannys in the same car.



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