Stock Bottom End LS3 makes 763rwhp/651rwtq UPDATE 800RWHP!!!
05-10-2013, 02:03 PM
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My friend has the BC3 in his 900 wheel 5th gen and the pedal feel is nice. I was kinda curious if it would be different in a corvette but doesn't sound like it.
That must be with the Bosch 044 pump correct? I know you can upgrade to the A1000 from what I heard. Might take that route or just go with the ECS fuel kit since it comes with it.
That must be with the Bosch 044 pump correct? I know you can upgrade to the A1000 from what I heard. Might take that route or just go with the ECS fuel kit since it comes with it.
I'd stick with the Bosch 044 for sure.. Way more reliable then an A1000 and always holds a good prime with the right check valve. If you are using it for a secondary pump, it is easily enough for 1000+ on gas.. (Not e85).
My car made 901 rwhp SAE with a LPE in tank 225lph and the bosch 044 (with a KB BAP on it) and I was only at 82% IDC on some FIC1000 injectors. I EASILY had enough fuel supply for 1000rwhp SAE, probably more with bigger injectors.
My system is dead nuts reliable. No pump/fuel heating, no stupid PWM control needed for the pump, no priming issues when used and boost referenced only.
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I was also using a dual nozzle Alky control kit with M15/m10 nozzles so that accounts for some fuel supply also.
05-10-2013, 07:32 PM
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so why does a and a say 850 rwhp with the bosch 044? I would love to not have to change it out, but I thought I needed to. Hey Martin, what is the current IDC of the vehicle this thread is about?
05-13-2013, 11:43 PM
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I'd stick with the Bosch 044 for sure.. Way more reliable then an A1000 and always holds a good prime with the right check valve. If you are using it for a secondary pump, it is easily enough for 1000+ on gas.. (Not e85).
My car made 901 rwhp SAE with a LPE in tank 225lph and the bosch 044 (with a KB BAP on it) and I was only at 82% IDC on some FIC1000 injectors. I EASILY had enough fuel supply for 1000rwhp SAE, probably more with bigger injectors.
My system is dead nuts reliable. No pump/fuel heating, no stupid PWM control needed for the pump, no priming issues when used and boost referenced only.
***NOTE***
I was also using a dual nozzle Alky control kit with M15/m10 nozzles so that accounts for some fuel supply also.
My car made 901 rwhp SAE with a LPE in tank 225lph and the bosch 044 (with a KB BAP on it) and I was only at 82% IDC on some FIC1000 injectors. I EASILY had enough fuel supply for 1000rwhp SAE, probably more with bigger injectors.
My system is dead nuts reliable. No pump/fuel heating, no stupid PWM control needed for the pump, no priming issues when used and boost referenced only.
***NOTE***
I was also using a dual nozzle Alky control kit with M15/m10 nozzles so that accounts for some fuel supply also.
05-14-2013, 10:56 AM
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Ring lands separated yet on this motor?... 
The A&A kit will stave off detonation, but 700-800whp on stock rods and pistons is a ticking device (pardon the pun).
I greatly enjoy reading the write-ups Tick posts. Martin and gang are very informative and helpful to this community. But I have seen first hand what happens when LS-customers get greedy with boost on stock internals...LS3s especially. Of all the stock NA LS motors, LS3s are definitely the pit bulls! Toughest in the gang, but damn it's catastrophic when they come unglued... :-(*
Keep us posted! No shame - your customer asked for more! He'll eventually learn what we all do in this racing game...
And again, no disrespect intended to the Tick gang! Just exchanging input.
The A&A kit will stave off detonation, but 700-800whp on stock rods and pistons is a ticking device (pardon the pun).
I greatly enjoy reading the write-ups Tick posts. Martin and gang are very informative and helpful to this community. But I have seen first hand what happens when LS-customers get greedy with boost on stock internals...LS3s especially. Of all the stock NA LS motors, LS3s are definitely the pit bulls! Toughest in the gang, but damn it's catastrophic when they come unglued... :-(*
Keep us posted! No shame - your customer asked for more! He'll eventually learn what we all do in this racing game...
And again, no disrespect intended to the Tick gang! Just exchanging input.
05-14-2013, 11:46 AM
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Ring lands separated yet on this motor?...
The A&A kit will stave off detonation, but 700-800whp on stock rods and pistons is a ticking device (pardon the pun).
I greatly enjoy reading the write-ups Tick posts. Martin and gang are very informative and helpful to this community. But I have seen first hand what happens when LS-customers get greedy with boost on stock internals...LS3s especially. Of all the stock NA LS motors, LS3s are definitely the pit bulls! Toughest in the gang, but damn it's catastrophic when they come unglued... :-(*
Keep us posted! No shame - your customer asked for more! He'll eventually learn what we all do in this racing game...
And again, no disrespect intended to the Tick gang! Just exchanging input.
The A&A kit will stave off detonation, but 700-800whp on stock rods and pistons is a ticking device (pardon the pun).
I greatly enjoy reading the write-ups Tick posts. Martin and gang are very informative and helpful to this community. But I have seen first hand what happens when LS-customers get greedy with boost on stock internals...LS3s especially. Of all the stock NA LS motors, LS3s are definitely the pit bulls! Toughest in the gang, but damn it's catastrophic when they come unglued... :-(*
Keep us posted! No shame - your customer asked for more! He'll eventually learn what we all do in this racing game...
And again, no disrespect intended to the Tick gang! Just exchanging input.
05-14-2013, 12:44 PM
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As long as the customer understands that it will let go at some point and is willing to do a build fine. I've seen him post on corvette forum and he knows the risk. I'm at 741 on the stock bottom end. I know it won't last forever but until it lets to i'll enjoy it. When the time comes for a build so be it cause I want to do it eventually anyway.
05-14-2013, 03:50 PM
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Im going to build it by christmas guys and run a couple gallons of race gas mixed in to help keep it alive for now. I just wanted to see what stock block could take. I am going to throw pistons rods and main studs in. Im going to build for 10:1 cr
05-15-2013, 11:32 AM
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I wasn't trying to pee in anyone's cereal. Just sucks to see a good LS motor get fragged into oblivion. You could sell the shortblock in current trim and make a good $2500 to go towards your motor build instead of waiting for it to grenade itself. That's my only point of contention with guys who overboost or overspray SBEs. But if money is only paper for ya, have at it! 
It could also prove us all wrong and be that one Herculean exception that refuses to die or break like Rasputin...
It could also prove us all wrong and be that one Herculean exception that refuses to die or break like Rasputin...
05-15-2013, 05:37 PM
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I wasn't trying to pee in anyone's cereal. Just sucks to see a good LS motor get fragged into oblivion. You could sell the shortblock in current trim and make a good $2500 to go towards your motor build instead of waiting for it to grenade itself. That's my only point of contention with guys who overboost or overspray SBEs. But if money is only paper for ya, have at it!
It could also prove us all wrong and be that one Herculean exception that refuses to die or break like Rasputin...
It could also prove us all wrong and be that one Herculean exception that refuses to die or break like Rasputin...
Matt(one of our techs) actually started taking out his entire interior to be sent off and custom upholstered and stitched to his liking. I'm sure it will be very nice and tasteful along with setting off the car even more than a 800rwhp stock bottom end does for a car like this!
05-18-2013, 12:32 PM
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it involves leather wrapping door panels, dash, console lid and base, shift **** and boot, e brake boot and handle, steering wheel, and airbag, knee bolster and glove box. All black german leather with double red stitching. After that I will be getting Caravaggio daytona seats.
