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I'm sure GMS makes a quality set of wires but its their false claims is what I have a problem with along with paying $200 for wires when theres many more reasonable options. I got a set of Taylors that were $70 & although they didn't advertise a hp gain have worked great since I bought them 5 yrs ago.
Aside from OEM replacement wires you get in a parts store, I dont think ive seen a single brand of aftermarket wires that HASNT advertised horsepower increases. On the front of my taylor thundervolt 8.5's box it says 25 additional horsepower. From a marketing perspective its hard to not use that tactic to sell your product seeing as how there are so many gullible people that dont understand how spark plug wires work that would believe it, they even have a dyno sheet on the back of the box showing a comparison between stock and their wires, which shows just how credible dyno numbers are when your skewing them to your advantage for marketing.
I refrain from putting a competitors info or links directly in a sponsors link. Couple points I am directly pasting here. If anyone wants the actual article I will provide via PM.
"Probably the most efficient transfer of spark energy is made with solid core spark plug wire."
"The problem with solid core wire is that it emits large amounts of RFI (radio frequency interference) which affects radios, and onboard electronic systems in cars. When current passes through a wire, a magnetic field is formed. If the current flow is switched on and off rapidly as with an ignition system, RFI is caused by the magnetic field collapse"
"When manufacturers began installing radios in cars, a solution was needed to reduce the RFI"
"This reduction of current flow also results in a weaker spark at the plugs. An internal combustion engine operates on the principal of air and fuel burning in a cylinder and the expanding gases driving down the piston. That's right, the fuel burns, not explodes as some believe. The hotter the spark in the cylinder, the better the air/fuel ignition and better chance of complete combustion."
"Some manufacturers advertise very low resistances, which when conducting D.C. current (direct current) is good. However ignition systems also generate A.C. (alternating current) voltages which traverse the outer layer of the conductor and is less affected by resistance."
"As touched on before, the hotter the spark the better the combustion. This process can be associated with a better transfer of the spark energy from it's source."
Misconception #1 "Any spark is adequate for combustion since it only needs to explode the fuel" - not true. Fuel is meant to burn in a cylinder, not explode (fuel only explodes under such cases as pinging or detonation... both of which are quite harmful to an engine). A weak spark may start the combustion process but since there is a finite amount of time for the mixture to burn, prior to the exhaust valve opening, a better start to the combustion process will aid in a more complete burn"
Aside from OEM replacement wires you get in a parts store, I dont think ive seen a single brand of aftermarket wires that HASNT advertised horsepower increases. On the front of my taylor thundervolt 8.5's box it says 25 additional horsepower. From a marketing perspective its hard to not use that tactic to sell your product seeing as how there are so many gullible people that dont understand how spark plug wires work that would believe it, they even have a dyno sheet on the back of the box showing a comparison between stock and their wires, which shows just how credible dyno numbers are when your skewing them to your advantage for marketing.
Yes, lots of gullible people that buy into marketing claims.
Originally Posted by LIL SS
I refrain from putting a competitors info or links directly in a sponsors link. Couple points I am directly pasting here. If anyone wants the actual article I will provide via PM.
"Probably the most efficient transfer of spark energy is made with solid core spark plug wire."
"The problem with solid core wire is that it emits large amounts of RFI (radio frequency interference) which affects radios, and onboard electronic systems in cars. When current passes through a wire, a magnetic field is formed. If the current flow is switched on and off rapidly as with an ignition system, RFI is caused by the magnetic field collapse"
"When manufacturers began installing radios in cars, a solution was needed to reduce the RFI"
"This reduction of current flow also results in a weaker spark at the plugs. An internal combustion engine operates on the principal of air and fuel burning in a cylinder and the expanding gases driving down the piston. That's right, the fuel burns, not explodes as some believe. The hotter the spark in the cylinder, the better the air/fuel ignition and better chance of complete combustion."
"Some manufacturers advertise very low resistances, which when conducting D.C. current (direct current) is good. However ignition systems also generate A.C. (alternating current) voltages which traverse the outer layer of the conductor and is less affected by resistance."
"As touched on before, the hotter the spark the better the combustion. This process can be associated with a better transfer of the spark energy from it's source."
Misconception #1 "Any spark is adequate for combustion since it only needs to explode the fuel" - not true. Fuel is meant to burn in a cylinder, not explode (fuel only explodes under such cases as pinging or detonation... both of which are quite harmful to an engine). A weak spark may start the combustion process but since there is a finite amount of time for the mixture to burn, prior to the exhaust valve opening, a better start to the combustion process will aid in a more complete burn"
What about all the LEVs & SULEVs? How is this possibly being achieved with a factory ignition system that is claimed to "an incomplete burn" in comparison to these solid core 0 ohm wires? Seems like there would be a rich code set no? Also maybe some misfires too!
Lower RPM equates to much more time to burn.
Think about how dynamic the computer is with its compensation during closed loop. O2 sensors providing feedback, Short trim fuel cells compensating and averaging to Long trim fuel cells.
Look at factory injector timing vs valve events, why are they firing an injector at a closed intake valve?
Lower RPM equates to much more time to burn.
Think about how dynamic the computer is with its compensation during closed loop. O2 sensors providing feedback, Short trim fuel cells compensating and averaging to Long trim fuel cells.
Look at factory injector timing vs valve events, why are they firing an injector at a closed intake valve?
Dunno why you keep grasping at straws here when there are over a dozen posts in this thread that have already proven you wrong and provided plenty of evidence showing that the horsepower claims are bogus. Every single performance spark plug wire manufacturer on the planet markets the same claim of additional horsepower, none of them more credible then the other. The fact that you keep going on about one particular brand being more credible then the rest is only highlighting just how gullible you are to their marketing.
Your comprehension skills definitely lack. Please tell me where I have said anything different than these wires made more power than old/new gm wires...
Your claim however was no aftermarket wire will make more power than a new stock wire.
If the factory stuff is good enough, why am I spending so much money on
aftermarket stuff?
And really a couple hundred bucks to try and see if you get a little more anything,
is not a bad deal.
easy install and something new to look at, if you get more anything, its a bargain,
I'm sure everybody here has thrown away more money than that on something they get
nothing out of. Good Day
Your comprehension skills definitely lack. Please tell me where I have said anything different than these wires made more power than old/new gm wires...
Your claim however was no aftermarket wire will make more power than a new stock wire.
Get it?
beating a dead horse, only comprehension skills that are failing here are yours, try to understand that the laws of physics don't change because you paid more for your spark plug wires then everyone else.
beating a dead horse, only comprehension skills that are failing here are yours, try to understand that the laws of physics don't change because you paid more for your spark plug wires then everyone else.
You are missing the fact there are multiple things going on within a wire. A single micro view of physics is not allowing you to see things at a macro level. Go sit with some EE's and discuss all the intricacies that are in play together.
What are you considering the difference is between "burning" and "explosion"? I looked up just for a definition of explosion:
"An explosion is a rapid increase in volume and release of energy in an extreme manner, usually with the generation of high temperatures and the release of gases."
So let's see, rapid increase in volume, check. Release (Or transfer) of energy, check. Generating High temperatures, check. Releasing gases, check.
Looks like I get explosions that happen in my cylinders. What about you guys?
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Burning and exploding are essentially the same thing, save one variable: the speed/duration of the burn. If oem is good enough, why do you guys spend any money and effort for more and why be on the board? It is entirely plausible and proven to see gand from making your ignition system better. Do manufacturers exagg er ate or use their best results as normal? Probably but that doesn't equate to zero gains. If you're scrounging for every last pony, there are some to be found in ignition, just not as many as the old days.
I love these types of advertisements, comparing old, worn out products with brand new products and saying the increase in power is due to the design of the new product instead of actually comparing 2 new products. Its like taking a car with 10 year old bald dry rotted street tires to the track and then putting on brand new bias ply slicks and saying "our tires dropped 2 seconds from the 1/4 mile time! It will do that on any car! Buy our ****!"
Not even going to start on the stupid MAF advertisements...
I love these types of advertisements, comparing old, worn out products with brand new products and saying the increase in power is due to the design of the new product instead of actually comparing 2 new products. Its like taking a car with 10 year old bald dry rotted street tires to the track and then putting on brand new bias ply slicks and saying "our tires dropped 2 seconds from the 1/4 mile time! It will do that on any car! Buy our ****!"
Not even going to start on the stupid MAF advertisements...
Well good thing that all Granatelli MotorSports videos for our wires the cars on at most 2 years old and probably have less then 10k miles on them couldn't be that worn out
any thoughts on when your next sale may be? any thoughts on estimated rwhp gains if i switch from my current firewires to your zero ohm wires ? does it effect the radio at all? also estimated gains from adding your coil packs on my 99 ls1 w/stock coils? thank you for your time.
09-10-2015, 12:37 AM
beating a dead horse, only comprehension skills that are failing here are yours, try to understand that the laws of physics don't change because you paid more for your spark plug wires then everyone else. 
