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Old May 25, 2018 | 04:35 PM
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Is the cam degreed in straight up? or with some timing offset?
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Something is off, does it feel lazy? If so it may need more timing.

I put together a 406 stroker for a buddy a few years back. It had similar heads and cam to you, but your heads and exhaust are a little better. Through a 4L60 and a 12 bolt it did 497 to the tires. It had a 102 on it as well. Trying to remember but I think that was also a SS3600 car.

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Old May 25, 2018 | 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by pdxmotorhead
Is the cam degreed in straight up? or with some timing offset?
I 'll ask...
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Old May 25, 2018 | 04:51 PM
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Hp is definitely low but the TQ is way down. That’s 5.7 TQ

yes the heads are small but TQ shouldn’t be down like that

AFR is lean. Do you know what the max timing is? What fuel are you running?
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Old May 25, 2018 | 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by 00pooterSS
Something is off, does it feel lazy? If so it may need more timing.

I put together a 406 stroker for a buddy a few years back. It had similar heads and cam to you, but your heads and exhaust are a little better. Through a 4L60 and a 12 bolt it did 497 to the tires. It had a 102 on it as well. Trying to remember but I think that was also a SS3600 car.
It sounds good, have to stab it to really make power but shouldn't the tuner knew it needed more timing ....if it does? Not lazy but not unresponsive... it's just ok
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Old May 25, 2018 | 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by big hammer
Hp is definitely low but the TQ is way down. That’s 5.7 TQ

yes the heads are small but TQ shouldn’t be down like that

AFR is lean. Do you know what the max timing is? What fuel are you running?
26 degrees down low, 27 up... running on 93 pump gas
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Old May 25, 2018 | 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by pdxmotorhead
Is the cam degreed in straight up? or with some timing offset?
Said he doesn't know what offset means....so it's straight up lol
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Old May 25, 2018 | 05:24 PM
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Compression is too low for that size camshaft, your dynamic compression is probably too low. Stroker motors are designed to make fat torque, not high rpm HP. Headers are too small.. Run 1 7/8 headers, get another 1 - 1.5 points in compression and youll be better off. I personally think that cam is too big period, you dont need a monster cam with good high flow / high velocity heads to make power. I would change the camshaft with less duration and keep the lift at whatever the heads peak flow is at. Just my two cents..
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Old May 25, 2018 | 07:56 PM
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That’s actually not a very aggressive Cam
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Old May 25, 2018 | 08:16 PM
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We could sit here and guess all day, but bottom line something is off. Maybe it's the dyno, maybe not. I'd see how it does at the track first, then go from there
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Old May 30, 2018 | 04:26 PM
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no reason for it not to make 475+ like it sets on a dynojet with it not having any issues. with 27* in it and peaking @ 6150 neither of those 2 is the issue,unless it's got false knock and killing timing. i made almost 540 rw in a 408 with 1 3/4 headers so headers not the problem.hopefully you can get it figured out.
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If that AFR on the dyno sheet is correct its going lean.
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Originally Posted by big hammer
Hp is definitely low but the TQ is way down. That’s 5.7 TQ

yes the heads are small but TQ shouldn’t be down like that

AFR is lean. Do you know what the max timing is? What fuel are you running?
Well it's cathedral port so it should have all kinds of tork.

Def look at that AFR. If its properly tuned it could be indicating the fuel pump is failing.

Also, maybe just start the car from cold and check the headers for a cold primary - ie dead cylinder.
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After a couple of things that have been posted.. If I were the OP I would be looking for a new tuner.
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Old May 31, 2018 | 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by LSX Power Tuning
If that AFR on the dyno sheet is correct its going lean.
so maybe I should change something or go to another tuner?
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Old May 31, 2018 | 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Darth_V8r
Well it's cathedral port so it should have all kinds of tork.

Def look at that AFR. If its properly tuned it could be indicating the fuel pump is failing.

Also, maybe just start the car from cold and check the headers for a cold primary - ie dead cylinder.
running on 7?
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Old May 31, 2018 | 10:27 PM
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Just for the record guys...my tuner and builder both say the issue is torque converter. Want me to swap to a circle d, triple disc. I don't know... I do know the car only makes good power when you get in it hard ,still isn't impressive.
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Originally Posted by Keith Wade
running on 7?
I think it is possible. Where your torque is x 8 / 7 puts you around 480 ft lbs which would be about right. Likely all your misfire stuff is turned off as per typical cam tuning.

Torque converter is a possibility as well, but I deal so little with autos I can not give good advice on that point.
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Old Jun 1, 2018 | 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Darth_V8r
I think it is possible. Where your torque is x 8 / 7 puts you around 480 ft lbs which would be about right. Likely all your misfire stuff is turned off as per typical cam tuning.

Torque converter is a possibility as well, but I deal so little with autos I can not give good advice on that point.
I'll pull plugs this morning and see, I asked that same question but was told no way. We shall see! Thanks for the advice.
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[QUOTE=Darth_V8r;19906543]I think it is possible. Where your torque is x 8 / 7 puts you around 480 ft lbs which would be about right. Likely all your misfire stuff is turned off as per typical cam tuning.

Torque converter is a possibility as well, but I deal so little with autos I can not give good advice on that point.[/QUOTE

Found one plug wire with nice hole burned in it, one with a big crack in it and another with top of boot melted. It's running on all 8, I 'll drive it as soon as pavement dries up.
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