g5x3 dyno results...
I can attest for the CRAPPY gas here in AZ! I have had a 2000 WS6 and a 2001 T/A. Both have pinged HORRIBLY in summer here. Both were stock. I tried switching to a GMS maf during a dyno pull with my old 2000, and the car IMMEDIATELY pinged so bad I lost a ton of horsepower from knock retard. 
I can't wait to see if the pinging is around this summer now that Nic tuned my car.
And again Brian, nice numbers.
I can't wait to see if the pinging is around this summer now that Nic tuned my car.
And again Brian, nice numbers.
Originally Posted by freakynipples69
After reading this post, should I risk throwing in 4.10's in my stock 10bolt and get a G5X3 as well?? 
It is an "at your own risk thing." Some people have great luck and dont break them, some break them on the first launch. All I can say is dont get slicks and no 6,000 rpm dumps and you should be fine. While the stock 10-bolt is weak it is certainly not made of glass.
Originally Posted by DVST8OR
What does that have to do with anything?
Just as I said on the other board, some people think that throwing the biggest cam in there car and calling it a day is going to make them the fastest/highest dynoing, etc.....as you already know. Just trying to get the point across to the um, slower folks.
Originally Posted by 99BackNBlackZ28
Haha, don't get your panties in a bunch.
Just as I said on the other board, some people think that throwing the biggest cam in there car and calling it a day is going to make them the fastest/highest dynoing, etc.....as you already know. Just trying to get the point across to the um, slower folks.
Just as I said on the other board, some people think that throwing the biggest cam in there car and calling it a day is going to make them the fastest/highest dynoing, etc.....as you already know. Just trying to get the point across to the um, slower folks.
Originally Posted by SSOnYourSix
I have the biggest and I am the highest dynoing
Ok, so basically you're a dyno queen...as well as being apart of the esteemed Arizona $50K f-body club. Congrats.
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Originally Posted by 99BackNBlackZ28
Ok, so basically you're a dyno queen...as well as being apart of the esteemed Arizona $50K f-body club. Congrats.
Originally Posted by DVST8OR
It is an "at your own risk thing." Some people have great luck and dont break them, some break them on the first launch. All I can say is dont get slicks and no 6,000 rpm dumps and you should be fine. While the stock 10-bolt is weak it is certainly not made of glass.
Good numbers man! I bet the car is a blast to drive with the 4.10's and that kinda power. I'm waiting on a few parts to arrive to finish my Futral F13 install. I'll be putting 3.73's in next week when the car is up and running. Hoping for 450 rwhp and praying the clutch and 10 bolt will live for a few more months! 
We put our LT's on about the same time and I knew it would be just a matter of time before you cammed it!
We put our LT's on about the same time and I knew it would be just a matter of time before you cammed it!
Originally Posted by 99BackNBlackZ28
Hey, at least you take a ribbin' pretty good. Can't say that much for some folks.
but 12.3@117 in the middle of the day on drags with full weight and stereo is fine with me! I cant wait to get some X4 numbers, then someday I will strap on some stickies and make a full pass just to shut everyone up 2.0 60s are a bitch 
Originally Posted by SSOnYourSix
What you are failing to understand here is the fact that we DO NOT tune aggressively... Could we have scraped 10 horse more out on a one time tune? Sure... but what good does that do when march hits and its 100 degrees out, then he has to drive 150 miles to get a retune... then july hits and we get to 120 degrees out and our summer blend of gas hits the pumps... again another retune.
Our goal is to produce daily drivable cars that dont require maintenence. My car makes 443 rwhp with stock heads, stock bottom end and 4.11 gears... but I also get a retune every time the temps change drastically to keep the numbers that way. Not everyone wants to do that nor have to wonder if that bad tank of gas that AZ is known for will hit the car... then BOOM.
Not trying to flame you, just trying to help you understand that not everyone out there is trying to extract every little horsepower from their car at all times... if we had chicagos weather you can bet we would ALL be 20-30 horsepower higher... but proven fact taking a chicago car here will drop AT LEAST 1/2 second in the 1/4 and drop about 20 or so at the wheels.
Our goal is to produce daily drivable cars that dont require maintenence. My car makes 443 rwhp with stock heads, stock bottom end and 4.11 gears... but I also get a retune every time the temps change drastically to keep the numbers that way. Not everyone wants to do that nor have to wonder if that bad tank of gas that AZ is known for will hit the car... then BOOM.
Not trying to flame you, just trying to help you understand that not everyone out there is trying to extract every little horsepower from their car at all times... if we had chicagos weather you can bet we would ALL be 20-30 horsepower higher... but proven fact taking a chicago car here will drop AT LEAST 1/2 second in the 1/4 and drop about 20 or so at the wheels.
Originally Posted by BADSZ28
I am well aware of what you are talking about, however, I am talking about something else. TORQUE not HP. I said nice HP for the area. I think the torque is low. If I am going to put in a cam in Chicago, AZ, etc. I better see more than 10rwtq out of it. I do not dought your tune on this car, just the low torque numbers for all that work and money. Not to mention the conditions on the day of dyno tune were pretty ideal. My car has stock tune, so I dought the timing is like you said. It is more than stock thanks to my !MAF but thats it. So the only thing that I need explanation on is the Torque numbers. Just learnin not burnin.
Again, you still don't get it. I am talking torque not hp. I am talking gain from AZ before cam to AZ after cam. This should be the same as Chicago before cam and Chicago after cam. I don't dought I will drop from here to there, I am saying the differences in AZ to AZ. I am not trying to compare apples and oranges. From being a member of this site I know better. A 10rwtq gain with that much loss in low end from this swap is not good. Does anyone else get what I am saying? I have never said once in this thread that the HP numbers suck, just the torque numbers. Torque is what makes a car move.
AZ after cam - AZ before cam =(aprox.) Chi After cam - Chi before cam
+57rwhp=good
+10rwtq=bad
AZ after cam - AZ before cam =(aprox.) Chi After cam - Chi before cam
+57rwhp=good
+10rwtq=bad
Originally Posted by BADSZ28
Again, you still don't get it. I am talking torque not hp. I am talking gain from AZ before cam to AZ after cam. This should be the same as Chicago before cam and Chicago after cam. I don't dought I will drop from here to there, I am saying the differences in AZ to AZ. I am not trying to compare apples and oranges. From being a member of this site I know better. A 10rwtq gain with that much loss in low end from this swap is not good. Does anyone else get what I am saying? I have never said once in this thread that the HP numbers suck, just the torque numbers. Torque is what makes a car move.
AZ after cam - AZ before cam =(aprox.) Chi After cam - Chi before cam
+57rwhp=good
+10rwtq=bad
AZ after cam - AZ before cam =(aprox.) Chi After cam - Chi before cam
+57rwhp=good
+10rwtq=bad
It looked a bit odd to me too, but with the installation of 4.10 gears I have only ever seen torque #s go down, more so when compared to the horsepower # on a dyno. So why the torque #s are lower than average? Got me, WOT tuning is the easiest part of a tune. It is running 28 degrees of timing with a mid 12 a/f ratio, it is fairly optimized and running more timing with 91 octane would be foolish. I would have to say a lot of it has to do with the fact that we live in a desert and our air sucks. Cars never dyno well here in AZ, nor do they ever run the numbers that a lot of guys do back east with great air. 
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Originally Posted by BADSZ28
I am well aware of what you are talking about, however, I am talking about something else. TORQUE not HP. I said nice HP for the area. I think the torque is low. If I am going to put in a cam in Chicago, AZ, etc. I better see more than 10rwtq out of it. I do not dought your tune on this car, just the low torque numbers for all that work and money. Not to mention the conditions on the day of dyno tune were pretty ideal. My car has stock tune, so I dought the timing is like you said. It is more than stock thanks to my !MAF but thats it. So the only thing that I need explanation on is the Torque numbers. Just learnin not burnin.