97bowtie

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Car is a 2000 SS, 6 speed - mods are as follows:

Whisper Lid, Hooker LTs, 3"cutout, TSP 233/239 .603/600 112 LSA, PRC gold spring kit, untuned.

379 RWHP / 352 RWTQ

The A/F was around 13.3-13.4.

My rev limiter was set at 6400 and the power curve was still going up when it hit the limiter. It would have probably rolled 382-383 with the rev limiter set at 6600 or so. The dyno graphs I've seen w/this cam all peaked around 6200-6300 so I thought 6400 would have been ok for the pulls.

Keep in mind this is still with LS1 intake, stock pullies and untuned. Next mods are an ASP pully, LS6 intake and a dyno tune. Should be right around 400-405 rwhp w/those mods I would think.

97bowtie

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Graph.

black_z

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Nice #'s you will easily see over 400 RWHP with more boltons and a tune.

LS1_PNYTAMR

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gotta love that tq curve

LS1_PNYTAMR

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i think u could pick up 15hp from the tune... and 15hp from the ls6intake and pulleys easy.. i put u closer to 415rwhp.. 380rwhp with no tune is doing good.

jrp

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not particularly.

and was this done with a cutout?

97bowtie

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Torque curve isn't very impressive if u ask me either.

Yes, w/a cutout.

jrp

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edit, never mind. saw your sig. you didnt gain **** for tq over your previous dyno

97bowtie

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Was the first dyno w/the cam. Dyno'd before the cam and rolled 344/352. I would have done some tuning, but it was a dyno day and was only allowed 2 pulls with no time for tuning.

97bowtie

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I know. Fuel makes torque, not a lean condition. With the pullies/LS6 intake/tune, I'd expect ~ 375 tq. I was still expecting more torque, even untuned.

97bowtie

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These pulls were also made on a different dyno than my bolt-on dyno numbers. Next pulls w/the cam will be on the same dyno as the bolt-on dyno numbers.

jrp

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still, with the correction factor and proper operation there shouldnt be a huge discrepency between dyno's.

i agree with your assesment on tq after the bolt on and tunes, HP should be over 400rwhp. but still, final tq will be low. looks like gears are in order.

97bowtie

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Shouldn't be, but there often is some difference.

Glad you agree.

LS1_PNYTAMR

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so u dont like this cam? just one dyno... untuned at that

97bowtie

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Never said I didn't like the cam. It will put down good numbers when tuned and a couple more mods. Yes, I expected a little more torque, but I can't fully assess the torque until I have a LS6 intake/pullies and tune (as do most guys who roll 400 rwhp+ w/stock heads).

LS1_PNYTAMR

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if the cam makes 400hp 385tq those would be good #'s no? it could be running lean? i heard lean condition will kill ur tq.

Ryan02SS

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I would think an LS6 intake along with ASP @ ported tb should be worth 20+rwhp easily. I've seen a gain of 18rwhp with just the addition of an LS6 intake on a cam only car. That cam's torque curve is begging for 4.10s!!!!

Silverhawk_02TA

I see you pulled pretty much the same numbers as I did with my Torquer. I was similarly unimpressed with my TQ curve. I expected much more, after seeing the graphs from TSP that had TQ peaking at 402 ft-lbs. Where's the other 50? I have almost the same setup as described by TSP in the aforementioned graph, except for a lid and a tune, but I just don't see that costing me 50 ft-lbs of TQ. Now, I'm in no way, shape or form accusing TSP of fudging the numbers or misrepresenting their product, but there must be something we're missing as opposed to the cars that dyno'd at over 400 ft-lbs, for both the Torquer and 233/239. I too hope TSP wanders in this thread and enlightens us. Please, TSP! What are we missing?

jrp

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THIS is the stuff i think should be posted. people are so quick to jump on a bandwagon or shell there money out w/o gettin an accurate acculmination of results to base there decision on rather then a few HP dyno's from sponsors. otherwise it just leads to the inevitable dissapointment. but as others will state take it to the track and see what she does.

97bowtie

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And you don't get accurate accumulations without people trying the stuff out. If I don't get the track results I'm after w/this cam, a different cam may be in order. TSP was a good company to deal with and I liked the grind. However, to make conclusions about the performance of the cam at this point would be premature at best.