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Old Jul 19, 2005 | 11:07 AM
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Well the butt dyno feels better than what the real dyno says....... Here is what is going on. Weiand intake, TB, Pulley, Dynatec LTs, !A/C, 228/232 .580/ 114+4 cam, My 5.3 heads that flow around 285/210. Dyno was at Fastech and pulls were to 6K. They scaled it in MPH and I asked Todd to email in RPM if they can. A/F stayed around 12.1:1 to 6K. Also it was reading false knock at 25* and retarding to 23*. The graph is smooth though, but looks like it peaked around 5800(kinda early). I am just trying to see what variables are keeping me to 403/379 peak. THAT SUCKS! The intake was ported before I got it, and pretty wide I may add. I had to open the intake runners by around .18 to clear with no turb. and tapered in about 3 inches each side. Car was driven for a while this morning before the dyno......heatsoak from the intake helping cause lower power and false knock? Compression is great and car only has 46K on the odo. WTF WTF WTF. I am thinking about pulling off the intake and throwing it in the garbage for an LS6. What do you think?

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Old Jul 19, 2005 | 11:19 AM
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get it tuned. your A/F is fat and you need to get rid of the false knock.
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get it tuned. your A/F is fat and you need to get rid of the false knock.
Yeah, I totally agree. Its still shitty though. I know the knock is killing me and there is something to gain from leaning it up a bit, I just hope I can get a solid 20 more out of the thing. Oh and run was though cutout, no cats, to add insult to injury.

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Old Jul 19, 2005 | 04:46 PM
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Get rid of that intake.

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Old Jul 19, 2005 | 05:17 PM
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And its hotter out now
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Old Jul 19, 2005 | 05:43 PM
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As said before, the a/f is fat... my car on the jug has an a/f similar to that. Is your car throwing a PO327 code? That is for low knock sensor voltage. I fought 3* - 5* of false knock for months and traced it back to that. I ended up replacing the KS harness and the sensors to solve the issue. W/O false knock and my a/f straightened out, my car made 24.5 more peak HP, and tons under the curve, at the tires and felt much better SOTP.

I don't think your #'s are bad at all, get rid of the false knock and lean it out some, there should be another 15-20 RW hiding.
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I hear you on the knock issue. Its just way off what I was expecting. Unless I can dig ATLEAST 20rw out of the thing, I am going to first throw that intake in the trash(which I might do anyways). Hopefully I can get it tuned by this weekend and get a few pulls back at LG where I did my original baseline. I want to compare the numbers to my cam only numbers on the same dyno. I really dont dig the fact its peaking at 6K either. I am starting to think this cam doesnt match the cam card, seriously. If I hadnt just put it back together I would go ahead and put an X4 in the sucker and see what then. Just dont want to **** away $225 for the gaskets, bolts etc(flycut). I also searched and really couldnt find any H/C #'s with the weiand intake. I really think that the intake air temp. of 94(sensor verified) and my hunk of aluminum intake are playing a role. Thanks for the feedback.

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Old Jul 19, 2005 | 08:07 PM
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A/F is too fat, get rid of the false knock, you aren't revving the car high enough, and you need a real intake.
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Old Jul 19, 2005 | 08:27 PM
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A/F is too fat, get rid of the false knock, you aren't revving the car high enough, and you need a real intake.
Agreed on all accounts, but like I said, I really think this cam isnt what I thought it was. The freaking thing has fuel and air and peaked at 5900 every time. I also feel it when I am driving. I actually made mention to the guy running the dyno and thought I was running out of fuel. I guess for the time being I am going to switch to something the 918s can handle, get the arp rod bolts and spin the bitch to 6800. **** it! If I blow the thing up it just gives me an excuse to build a big cube motor. Maybe a cam something like 234/240 .590/.590 112+0. I will get her tuned this weekend and order a custom grind next pay period. Also will go ahead and pick up a LS6 intake as well. Anyone want this sucker for $200?

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sounds like you need a good tune! and ditch that over weight, heat soaked POS intake and just get the LS6.

then id guess youll see around 415-420rwhp.

good luck!
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Originally Posted by M6HuggerSS
sounds like you need a good tune! and ditch that over weight, heat soaked POS intake and just get the LS6.

then id guess youll see around 415-420rwhp.

good luck!
With a good tune and knock issues sorted out I should see 420 no prob, even with this intake, especially on the LG dyno. I am just not happy with that! I will prolly try the tune and bigger cam right off and see where that lands me.

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Old Jul 20, 2005 | 06:40 PM
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the cam could very well be what you claim it is....it may not be installed properly though...who did the install?
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the cam could very well be what you claim it is....it may not be installed properly though...who did the install?
I did, and it is actually degreed exactly to spec. All install was done by me. Realistically though the cam is doing what it was made to do. The 114+4 should really peak in that range. I was just hoping the higher flow of the heads would push the revs a bit higher. No worries I am going to swap cams, go back to an LS6 intake and get a tune. Then see where I sit. Should be done weekend after next.

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Old Jul 21, 2005 | 06:56 PM
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let me get this straight you have a H/C set up and it is NOT tuned and your running way rich and getting quite a bit of knock and and not spinning the motor past 6k rpm your pissed???

GET THE CAR TUNED!!! properly
then see what is going on
and get rid of that intake
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Old Jul 21, 2005 | 10:10 PM
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let me get this straight you have a H/C set up and it is NOT tuned and your running way rich and getting quite a bit of knock and and not spinning the motor past 6k rpm your pissed???

GET THE CAR TUNED!!! properly
then see what is going on
and get rid of that intake
Yeah I hear you. The cam peaks at 6K though THATS IT! I have pulled it to 6500 several times and its obvious the damn thing falls off quick. 233/239 112 on the way will replace this one next weekend. Hopefully I will get it tuned then as well.

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