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Originally Posted by INVISIBLEZ
So you're posting up that you made 5 more r.w.h.p. with a stock rearend than Tony did with a 12 bolt 3 years ago with the original setup?????? So if you had the 12 bolt in it, you would've made 10 r.w.h.p. less than his outdated MTI setup. With the moster cam and much better reworked heads, the new setup should have smashed the previous setup. 
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. I'm use to seeing 408's put down 535-550 r.w.h.p. w/ hydralic cams. Good luck with you new combo, seems to be working well so far.
My setup seems to be pretty much on par with what you're seeing, more or less.
The entire purpose of my swap was multifactorial. I was not seeking MORE hp than I could have made with a single cam swap. It was a whole list of attributes I was trying to attain.
I guess I should have made this more clear in the first post.
This isn't a race car. Never will be. It's a fun car for me. I'm not out for certain E.T.s, MPHs, dyno #s, etc. Just to have fun with it. That's all. My attitude in this regard is out of the ordinary to most but it's what works for me
I have future engine plans yet to come:
AFR 225 reworked by TEA
Morel Lifters
Port matched LSX 90/ NM 90TB
Kooks 1 7/8 to catted 3" Y Pipe
AA Vacuum pump
Those are in the distant future, but should do quite well for the setup. I'm getting married in April and it's quite expensive to get married
My setup seems to be pretty much on par with what you're seeing, more or less.
The entire purpose of my swap was multifactorial. I was not seeking MORE hp than I could have made with a single cam swap. It was a whole list of attributes I was trying to attain.
I guess I should have made this more clear in the first post.
This isn't a race car. Never will be. It's a fun car for me. I'm not out for certain E.T.s, MPHs, dyno #s, etc. Just to have fun with it. That's all. My attitude in this regard is out of the ordinary to most but it's what works for me
I have future engine plans yet to come:
AFR 225 reworked by TEA
Morel Lifters
Port matched LSX 90/ NM 90TB
Kooks 1 7/8 to catted 3" Y Pipe
AA Vacuum pump
Those are in the distant future, but should do quite well for the setup. I'm getting married in April and it's quite expensive to get married
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Those are some pretty crappy cut and paste dyno runs you got there Cannibal. Look at the pre and post tune graphs folks, graphs 1 and 2. AF/HP/TQ curves are all the same but the numbers are 30 HP higher, both SF and DJ corrected. Graphs 1 and 2 have the same titles "levi_proc2........." and they are IDENTICAL except for the 30 HP and 25 LB/FT of torque increase. Now how is that possible?
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Originally Posted by SilverSurfer
Those are some pretty crappy cut and paste dyno runs you got there Cannibal. Look at the pre and post tune graphs folks, graphs 1 and 2. AF/HP/TQ curves are all the same but the numbers are 30 HP higher, both SF and DJ corrected. Graphs 1 and 2 have the same titles "levi_proc2........." and they are IDENTICAL except for the 30 HP and 25 LB/FT of torque increase. Now how is that possible?
The pre tune run's A/F was around 10.5:1 if I recall correctly.
I'll e-mail them and see if they can plot it with the A/F of the pre-tune run.
Thanks for the observation!
EDIT: I looked at the JPEGs posted, the red lines are the pre-tune HP/TQ/AF, black are post tune HP/TQ/AF. Red line pre tune's AF was around 10.5:1, black line AF was around 12.5-12.7:1 with the post tune HP. I dont' see what you're getting at?
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I fixed it, the 1st and 2nd graphs are the exact same graphs, but both show pre and post HP/TQ/AF. I eliminated the second graph as it's a duplicate. Should be more clear now.
Thanks!
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What's clear is that the graphs were identical but the 2nd graph was touched up. But alas now it's gone. Cute. And to think someone as annoying and slow as myself picked up on this but the ADMIN and 2 MODS didn't. LOL
EDIT: Make that 3 MODS.
EDIT: Make that 3 MODS.
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Originally Posted by SilverSurfer
Unlessssssss what you meant to say in your initial post is graph 1 is the SF pre and post tune and graph 2 is the DJ corrected version. That would make more sense.
Here's the URL's to the three graphs that they sent me:
http://locker.uky.edu/~ldproc0/levi.jpg
http://locker.uky.edu/~ldproc0/lev2.jpg
http://locker.uky.edu/~ldproc0/levi4.jpg
They look identical to me. I was under the impression that they sent me the following:
Pre Tune SF and DJ
Post Tune SF and DJ
Post Tune DJ Corrected
Apparently they didn't send what I was assuming. They sent duplicates of the same pre and post tune combo graphs and the final DJ #s only graph. Does that make sense?
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I have no idea how they exported these tracings. The only one that is clear is the DJ only graph.
That was the final post tune one.
Man, those graphs are confusing the way their software or they configured the graphs.
I apologize for the retarded graphs.
The only one that is clear is the DJ corrected only version. And it's the final, post tune, #s.
Sorry guys, I assumed the graphs they sent me were what I was told they were. And you know what happens when one assumes
Here's the bottom line:
Pre Tune:
SF #s 470 RWHP 460 RWTQ, FWHP 552
DJ Corrected #s 498 RWHP 470 RWTQm, FWHP 585
After dyno WOT tuning:
SR #s 501 RWHP 485 RWTQ, FWHP 589
DJ #s 530 RWHP 515 RWTQ, FWHP 624
DJ Graph:
http://locker.uky.edu/~ldproc0/levi4.jpg
I'm gonna e-mail them to get me the graphs so that the others make sense.
Again, my bad, fellas.
That was the final post tune one.
Man, those graphs are confusing the way their software or they configured the graphs.
I apologize for the retarded graphs.
The only one that is clear is the DJ corrected only version. And it's the final, post tune, #s.
Sorry guys, I assumed the graphs they sent me were what I was told they were. And you know what happens when one assumes
Here's the bottom line:
Pre Tune:
SF #s 470 RWHP 460 RWTQ, FWHP 552
DJ Corrected #s 498 RWHP 470 RWTQm, FWHP 585
After dyno WOT tuning:
SR #s 501 RWHP 485 RWTQ, FWHP 589
DJ #s 530 RWHP 515 RWTQ, FWHP 624
DJ Graph:
http://locker.uky.edu/~ldproc0/levi4.jpg
I'm gonna e-mail them to get me the graphs so that the others make sense.
Again, my bad, fellas.
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Oh, come on Levi..don't lie to us, you put a stock motor back in the Cannibal, and made these in photoshop now didn't you. 
What are you trying to get at Silversurfer? Why are so many people bashing your numbers Levi? I think that car is making a ton of power and it will be smoking fast.
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I should have reviewed the graphs prior. I was told they were the way I originally posted. I assumed the shop exported them correctly since I have no control over their software nor how to use it.
Sorry guys!
Sorry guys!
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Originally Posted by SilverSurfer
Sorry if I got all over you like white on rice. Just seemed to me like something fishy was goings on. Good luck with the car.
Thanks for picking that up. I would have not recognized it as I assumed they were done as I was told they were.
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I have future engine plans yet to come:
AFR 225 reworked by TEA
I have future engine plans yet to come:
AFR 225 reworked by TEA
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He doesn't race
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I never said I wasn't worried about performance, etc.
I do not consider a good running engine as one that requires over 1-2 qts per 1000 miles of city driving. I don't consider a good running engine that had hot oil pressures of 18-22 PSI secondary to a nearly torn in half oil o-ring that I had to repair myself. These things may be acceptable to others based on their applications/desires, but it's not for me.
Pics of the o-ring I had to replace:
http://locker.uky.edu/~ldproc0/oring%20001.jpg
http://locker.uky.edu/~ldproc0/oring%20002.jpg
The inner machined surface of my oil pump in the engine had been galled from the machining done to it for the porting. This caused some sharp edges and thus ate up the ring as pictured above.
I had to replace the oil pump secondary to the damaged inlet from the porting, too. Else it would have just recurred.
You have a different opinion on what your car's goals are.
I have a different opinion on what my car's goals are.
Neither of our opinions are more correct than another.
As long as we are each happy with our setups that's all that matters. I got a more reliable, less worry setup that still puts out great power (even though I never really get on it - at all). Goal met.
I do not consider a good running engine as one that requires over 1-2 qts per 1000 miles of city driving. I don't consider a good running engine that had hot oil pressures of 18-22 PSI secondary to a nearly torn in half oil o-ring that I had to repair myself. These things may be acceptable to others based on their applications/desires, but it's not for me.
Pics of the o-ring I had to replace:
http://locker.uky.edu/~ldproc0/oring%20001.jpg
http://locker.uky.edu/~ldproc0/oring%20002.jpg
The inner machined surface of my oil pump in the engine had been galled from the machining done to it for the porting. This caused some sharp edges and thus ate up the ring as pictured above.
I had to replace the oil pump secondary to the damaged inlet from the porting, too. Else it would have just recurred.
You have a different opinion on what your car's goals are.
I have a different opinion on what my car's goals are.
Neither of our opinions are more correct than another.
As long as we are each happy with our setups that's all that matters. I got a more reliable, less worry setup that still puts out great power (even though I never really get on it - at all). Goal met.
Last edited by CANNIBAL; Jul 31, 2005 at 08:04 PM.