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Old Apr 12, 2006 | 05:34 PM
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I'm putting 583hp down to the ground what does that say about the engines horsepower level?

I calculated about 636hp what's your guess!

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Old Apr 12, 2006 | 07:05 PM
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Maybe as high as 670, but probably not with M6.
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one calculator i used said 685flywheel.
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I thought the standard for loss of hp through the driveline (fbody) was:
m6< 10-13% loss
a4< up to 15%

Vettes lose more through their driveline, so it's probably more like 17% loss for you.

670 is probably the closest guess of your flywheel hp


Anyone else use this as a guide?
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i thought is was 17-20% for A4 and 15% for M6s
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Originally Posted by V8pwrdz28
i thought is was 17-20% for A4 and 15% for M6s
for vettes right? But i can beleive the same for fbodies as well.
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Old Apr 12, 2006 | 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by C.W.A
I'm putting 583hp down to the ground what does that say about the engines horsepower level?

I calculated about 636hp what's your guess!

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I have a Z06 and what most people lose on the C5 Z06 is 12.5% rule of thumb on the Z06 Forum.
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thats what i have always heard at least.
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Old Apr 12, 2006 | 07:19 PM
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so a 15% loss, I'm at 460 bhp. Is that correct?
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anyone with a good rule of thumb?
I know a stock ls2 in a c6 will dyno about 330rwhp on dynojet, that's way more than a 15% loss on an m6
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Old Apr 14, 2006 | 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by TryingT/A
anyone with a good rule of thumb?
I know a stock ls2 in a c6 will dyno about 330rwhp on dynojet, that's way more than a 15% loss on an m6
330rwhp is a 17.5% loss on a 400 crank hp engine. a 15% loss would put you at 340rwhp, so I wouldn't exactly say it's way more.
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Old Apr 14, 2006 | 04:41 PM
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I have always heard 15% for an M6 & 17% for an A4. So back figuring it (1 / .85 = 1.176 x 583) you'd have ~685 at the motor.
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Old Apr 21, 2006 | 03:50 PM
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new dyno number 602rwhp, that should = 692rwhp flywheel. is that correct
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Old Apr 23, 2006 | 04:19 PM
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f-body with an m6 is 15%. at least thats the way ive always heard it.
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Old Apr 23, 2006 | 07:28 PM
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I've always heard 15-16% for the solid rear M6 f-bods and 16-17% M6 GTO's with independent rears.

Puts me at 1/.831.2048...x540rwhp=650.60236fwhp

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Old Apr 23, 2006 | 08:07 PM
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I think a lot of these losses are over exaggerated. If someone does a back to back comparo of engine vs. chassis dyno's, I'm betting you'll be surprised.
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Old Apr 23, 2006 | 08:19 PM
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Still wondering why % are used. I wouldn't bet on a % being accurate.

Example 1 a big block blown alcohol car that makes 2000 hp at 7000 rpm with a manual- alcohol cars have no radiator thus no water pump or other accesories besides the blower itself vs.
Example 2 a small block with all accesories and an auto making 500 hp at 7000.

example 1 : with 15% loss = 300 hp loss when compared engine dyno to RWHP
example 2 : with 17% loss = 85 hp loss when compared to an engine dynovs rwhp.

thats a joke. %'s just dont work.

I would bet all accesories add up to about 40+ hp and the auto trans would steal 60 or more unlocked at 7000 rpms. VS. a manual like a lenco which would rob very little at 7000 rpm. Nevermind driveline losses.
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Old Apr 23, 2006 | 08:40 PM
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% is linear across the curve, the more you make the more gets lost as heat buildup in the motor and driveline...and it could take upwards of 300 hp to drive a blower that big at that hp level
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Originally Posted by oange ss
% is linear across the curve, the more you make the more gets lost as heat buildup in the motor and driveline...and it could take upwards of 300 hp to drive a blower that big at that hp level
Are you kidding?

An engine dyno accounts for the blower loss. Are you telling me it doubles its penalty once installed in a vehicle?
NOT!

%'s only work when calculating air temp differences and compression changes.
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Old Apr 24, 2006 | 04:52 PM
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how does an engine account for blower loss ?
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