Tony Mamo's Vette??
why can't people just believe that a well built engine with fine attention to details can put out a lot more power than you think....
its like buying a friday car vs a wednesday car...hope u know what i'm talkin about.....lol
its like buying a friday car vs a wednesday car...hope u know what i'm talkin about.....lol
Jakefusion and Tony pretty much hit it on the head. It's all setup.
Some people think we are weird because we run a advertised 218 Cam in a 408 that is pushing 800hp/800tq at the rear wheels on pump gas with a turbo,will be pushing it alittle soon for 4 digit's.Must be the nice AFR 225 heads we have on it
Some people think we are weird because we run a advertised 218 Cam in a 408 that is pushing 800hp/800tq at the rear wheels on pump gas with a turbo,will be pushing it alittle soon for 4 digit's.Must be the nice AFR 225 heads we have on it
Originally Posted by 98Z28CobraKiller
I am still waiting for Tony to tell me what cam to put in my car.
Lobe#, Dur. @ .006", .050", .200", & Lift
2131 293 243 168 .653"
2132 297 247 171 .656"
I don't really have a lot of "detailed or educated" responses to add to this thread that already haven't been mentioned, but I can say that his car is what it says it is. It puts down the numbers and is crazy fast. If you were to duplicate this setup (which several have done with his 46' combo) I would suspect to see close to the same numbers as he has now. Its all in attention to detail and matching everything up.
Originally Posted by stang90gt50
heh...A&A corvette sold their old dyno and bought the one they have now because it "gives higher #'s, so as to be on par with the other shops around the country with optimisiticly high dyno #'s..." straight from the owners (andy's) mouth. Not saying they are fudged #'s but they are definately going to be as solid as they can possibly be.
Originally Posted by jrp
when it finally hooks on the top of 2nd gear and grabbing 3rd, if you dont exclaim "holy ****" you dont have a pulse.
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I say its totally possible. What I find more wrong than anything is the idea that a larger cam makes more power. Now of course if you dont have enough cam I could understand, but when most of the internet buyers are going to cams so giant compared to what they should be using, then its true. I have others calling now asking for smaller cams over there high Peaking cams. Why? Why not? who wants to feel the power only at the top? The mid band power is just as fun to have as top end power. Thats the reason some choose a roots blower over a centrifugal. Its just preference.
I say more power to anyone making good power with less.
Rock on Tony.
Rick
I say more power to anyone making good power with less.
Rock on Tony.
Rick
Originally Posted by Rick@Synergy
I say its totally possible. What I find more wrong than anything is the idea that a larger cam makes more power. Now of course if you dont have enough cam I could understand, but when most of the internet buyers are going to cams so giant compared to what they should be using, then its true. I have others calling now asking for smaller cams over there high Peaking cams. Why? Why not? who wants to feel the power only at the top? The mid band power is just as fun to have as top end power. Thats the reason some choose a roots blower over a centrifugal. Its just preference.
I say more power to anyone making good power with less.
Rock on Tony.
Rick
I say more power to anyone making good power with less.
Rock on Tony.
Rick
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Originally Posted by JakeFusion™
Futral cams have a ton of advance also. So the cams don't appear as big as they are in terms of VEs and the lobes are usually fairly lazy, so again the numbers at .050" don't tell the whole story as to why those packages make a ton of power. Compression is the other piece to the puzzle. People are afraid to run compression with big cams (thus they get half-assed results), but not Futral. He knows his ****.
For a 408, I'd go 243/247 Comp LSK on a 110+1. The overlap is no worse than a T-Rex but it's lobe lift after .050" is far more aggressive. The lobes specs are as follows:
Lobe#, Dur. @ .006", .050", .200", & Lift
2131 293 243 168 .653"
2132 297 247 171 .656"
For a 408, I'd go 243/247 Comp LSK on a 110+1. The overlap is no worse than a T-Rex but it's lobe lift after .050" is far more aggressive. The lobes specs are as follows:
Lobe#, Dur. @ .006", .050", .200", & Lift
2131 293 243 168 .653"
2132 297 247 171 .656"
Originally Posted by JakeFusion™
Comp LSK 247/251 111+1 or 112+1 if you want a little better idle and are willing to sacrifice some midrange. Below are the lobe numbers to use for ordering.
Lobe#, Dur. @ .006", .050", .200", & Lift
2131 293 243 168 .653"
2132 297 247 171 .656"
Lobe#, Dur. @ .006", .050", .200", & Lift
2131 293 243 168 .653"
2132 297 247 171 .656"
Tony never kept anything "secret" about any of his combo's. He full well told us all the little details about quench, degreeing the cam in, cam specs, porting the fast, electric water pump-etc, etc..But soooo many people on this board think they know everyhting and slap together a similar combo only to make #'s far shy of what they thought they would. Then we hear well I didn't know you had to mill the heads? I thought gaskets where gaskets-what's the difference between the comtics .040's versus the GM mls? Degree the cam-why? Tony is very accessable-he replies to all his calls and emails-if you just follow what he says you too can easily build sick and streetable LS1. Oh and AFR's are pretty awesome too. I'm sorry but IMHO there is no comparison to them with TSP ported or Patriot ported or Darts. They cost more but it's for a reason.
Originally Posted by SDB
What's really impressive is that Tony's car makes that kind of power with just a HyperTechIII hand held tune! Simply Amazing!!!!!!!
lol
SDB
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SDB
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i've learned more from this 2 page thread vs reading many other threads of the same nature.
keep up the good info guys!
anyone want to spec a cam for my LS2 403?
"daily driver" i work from home could put 1k miles a month on the car.
reusing LS6 heads, ported to 227cc, stock size valves intake and exhaust, head flow based on his current and previous work 308-314 cfm @.600 lift
ported LS6 intake and TB
the short block right now sits at 10.8:1 if i were to use the heads unmilled(havent decided 4sure), diamond pistons/rings set up for 250shot
ARP hard ware through the bottom end
eagle H beam rods
eagle crank
street and strip use
not sure what else you all would need to know but i want to see what you would say and compare it to the cam that has been spec'd for this build.
keep up the good info guys!
anyone want to spec a cam for my LS2 403?
"daily driver" i work from home could put 1k miles a month on the car.
reusing LS6 heads, ported to 227cc, stock size valves intake and exhaust, head flow based on his current and previous work 308-314 cfm @.600 lift
ported LS6 intake and TB
the short block right now sits at 10.8:1 if i were to use the heads unmilled(havent decided 4sure), diamond pistons/rings set up for 250shot
ARP hard ware through the bottom end
eagle H beam rods
eagle crank
street and strip use
not sure what else you all would need to know but i want to see what you would say and compare it to the cam that has been spec'd for this build.
Last edited by Blown04Z06; Jun 15, 2006 at 03:24 AM.
I love the cam in my 408. The TRQ under the curve is awsome and FLAT. the only trouble I have is what Jake said. My Fast ported 90/90 set-up is choking my ET 245 heads up-top. I`m looking to go a differant way with the intake. But back to my cam. Very streetable and made awesome power and TRQ. Made like 490rwhp 510trq locked. You can see in sig unlocked numbers. Like Jake said, I quit making power early because of the intake choking me down. So I feel there is still a good amount of power up top left to make.
From talking to mike at G-Force. Vette Doctors built a 408 with ET 245 heads and used a LS2 intake and made 550 or so rwhp. I`m hearing the LS2 is a better intake for the ET heads. Anyone else heard this? I`m going to call Vette Doctors and find out. But mike and crew did put together a 383 with ET heads and made like 480rwhp-it had a LS2 intake and made awsome power. My cam specs are in sig. Like someone said before, this is a awsome thread. Good info!!
From talking to mike at G-Force. Vette Doctors built a 408 with ET 245 heads and used a LS2 intake and made 550 or so rwhp. I`m hearing the LS2 is a better intake for the ET heads. Anyone else heard this? I`m going to call Vette Doctors and find out. But mike and crew did put together a 383 with ET heads and made like 480rwhp-it had a LS2 intake and made awsome power. My cam specs are in sig. Like someone said before, this is a awsome thread. Good info!!
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Originally Posted by kumar75150
after seeing the power the Futral cars make, im gonna have to disagree with you there
as for Tony, he has a lot of little special touches that most people just dont bolt on that can account for 20-30 hp
as for Tony, he has a lot of little special touches that most people just dont bolt on that can account for 20-30 hp
Originally Posted by matt346ls1
I second that disagree, i have a 278/284 cam in a 408, and oh yeah it goes 9.20 on motor.
No but seriously, I have been sworn to secrecy on the cam numbers but they are considerably lower than what I am running now. It is by faith alone that I take this leap into the unknown.
PS. He talked me into spending the $500 on the port job for the FAST 90. He told me that it would not work otherwise.........Freakin Snake!