Dyno proven TFS Head/Cam combinations
09-02-2006, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Brian Tooley
I would put it at around 460-470 RWHP, which when you consider this would still be through a mass air sensor, no dyno tricks, real world power, is pretty stout. All of the top competitors heads were run back to back on the dyno and were 10-20 HP behind the TFS.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/dynamometer-results-comparisons/336734-346-cid-w-afr-205-s-goes-557hp-485tq.html
09-02-2006, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Brian Tooley
All of the top competitors heads were run back to back on the dyno and were 10-20 HP behind the TFS.
09-02-2006, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Louie83
Those are some brave claims. Do you have any proof to back this up?
Lets see the overlays afr 205, dart 205 vs your heads.
09-02-2006, 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Louie83
Those are some brave claims. Do you have any proof to back this up?
I've asked for proof before and nothing happened, so I expect the same here.
Originally Posted by Brian Tooley
All of the top competitors heads were run back to back on the dyno and were 10-20 HP behind the TFS.
Originally Posted by Brian Tooley
The TFS heads make excellent power and pull great at high RPM also, pulling 300 RPM past another 215 head that was tested while out powering it by 10 HP as well.
So according to that thread and what you posted in this thread the Trickflows 215's are making 62 hp over stock ls1 heads and 20hp over AFR 205's and 10hp over ETP 215's. I think we need some independent results before your "claims" get too crazy.
It looks more like bs hype to me!
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09-02-2006, 01:58 PM
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Brain,
I just got a set of the TEA 225's with a 4" bore for my C6 from you last month. I ordered a Cam already and went with a Catek cam (2x) 224/228 with .590 lift {0 Advance) on a 116 LSA. Of course I ordered this while you were doing all the cam research.
Just wanted to see what you think the the high lobe seperation will do for my DCR. I wanted a to have a nice Idle is the reson for hossing a 116 LSA.
Thanks,
Sean
I just got a set of the TEA 225's with a 4" bore for my C6 from you last month. I ordered a Cam already and went with a Catek cam (2x) 224/228 with .590 lift {0 Advance) on a 116 LSA. Of course I ordered this while you were doing all the cam research.
Just wanted to see what you think the the high lobe seperation will do for my DCR. I wanted a to have a nice Idle is the reson for hossing a 116 LSA.
Thanks,
Sean
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09-03-2006, 05:36 AM
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can they be purchased milled to customer specs? I'm looking for 11:00 to 1 at least with stage 3 cam. what head gasket? no flycut...maybe you can develope a recipie for the stage 3.
09-05-2006, 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Louie83
Those are some brave claims. Do you have any proof to back this up?
Originally Posted by Cobraeater
I've asked for proof before and nothing happened, so I expect the same here.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...&highlight=tfs
So according to that thread and what you posted in this thread the Trickflows 215's are making 62 hp over stock ls1 heads and 20hp over AFR 205's and 10hp over ETP 215's. I think we need some independent results before your "claims" get too crazy.
It looks more like bs hype to me!
It is unbelievable to me that someone like yourself would come on to this forum and doubt and criticize someone like myself. You have little knowledge of me, my background, my capabilities or resources, and yet you call BS knowing nothing. I have consulted for Edelbrock, Canfield, TFS, worked for Holley and now work for the largest performance parts distributor in the world, and you doubt my credibility? I think it comes down to resources.
This dyno shootout reminds me of a Ford dyno shootout that was conducted at Westech a few years ago that was totally independent. It was a heads up test on a 427 Ford engine with Ford heads in the 200-225 cc range. The TFS TWR 225 head that we did made 30 HP more then the AFR 225, 30 HP more then the Jegs/Kasse head ported by Kasse, 40 HP more then a ported Edelbrock Victor Jr, and 70 HP more then a Dart CNC ported head. So why is it so hard to believe that the new TFS LS1 head is 10-20 HP better then the competition?????
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09-05-2006, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Brian Tooley
You must not be reading my post thoroughly, the leading competitors heads were DYNO tested against the TFS, on a real engine DYNO. There is no claim here, simply facts, so yes, I have the proof.
I have not posted the competitors dyno numbers out of respect for the competition, however, if you would like to obtain their permission I will be glad to post the results.
It is unbelievable to me that someone like yourself would come on to this forum and doubt and criticize someone like myself. You have little knowledge of me, my background, my capabilities or resources, and yet you call BS knowing nothing. I have consulted for Edelbrock, Canfield, TFS, worked for Holley and now work for the largest performance parts distributor in the world, and you doubt my credibility? I think it comes down to resources.
This dyno shootout reminds me of a Ford dyno shootout that was conducted at Westech a few years ago that was totally independent. It was a heads up test on a 427 Ford engine with Ford heads in the 200-225 cc range. The TFS TWR 225 head that we did made 30 HP more then the AFR 225, 30 HP more then the Jegs/Kasse head ported by Kasse, 40 HP more then a ported Edelbrock Victor Jr, and 70 HP more then a Dart CNC ported head. So why is it so hard to believe that the new TFS LS1 head is 10-20 HP better then the competition?????
I have not posted the competitors dyno numbers out of respect for the competition, however, if you would like to obtain their permission I will be glad to post the results.
It is unbelievable to me that someone like yourself would come on to this forum and doubt and criticize someone like myself. You have little knowledge of me, my background, my capabilities or resources, and yet you call BS knowing nothing. I have consulted for Edelbrock, Canfield, TFS, worked for Holley and now work for the largest performance parts distributor in the world, and you doubt my credibility? I think it comes down to resources.
This dyno shootout reminds me of a Ford dyno shootout that was conducted at Westech a few years ago that was totally independent. It was a heads up test on a 427 Ford engine with Ford heads in the 200-225 cc range. The TFS TWR 225 head that we did made 30 HP more then the AFR 225, 30 HP more then the Jegs/Kasse head ported by Kasse, 40 HP more then a ported Edelbrock Victor Jr, and 70 HP more then a Dart CNC ported head. So why is it so hard to believe that the new TFS LS1 head is 10-20 HP better then the competition?????
09-05-2006, 07:56 PM
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Wow good work and the heads/cam combos look very promising! I also dont get why people come into a thread which offers NEW PRODUCTS for LSX engines and start attacking sponsors????? Cylinder Heads, cams, headers, etc have become more and more affordable for LSX owners due to these new products so give the man a ******* break and let some real world feedback, positive or negative, come back before jumping all over him...
09-05-2006, 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Brian Tooley
You must not be reading my post thoroughly, the leading competitors heads were DYNO tested against the TFS, on a real engine DYNO. There is no claim here, simply facts, so yes, I have the proof.
Were one of the heads you tested against ETP's, and if yes, then how did you compare to them directly, and how did ETP compare with AFR?
09-06-2006, 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Louie83
Sorry bud, wasn't trying to offend you. You might be the most honest person in the world, but I don't know you personally so I was just wondering if you had something you could show me. I can understand not wanting to offend other sponsors though, so that makes sense.
Were one of the heads you tested against ETP's, and if yes, then how did you compare to them directly, and how did ETP compare with AFR?
Were one of the heads you tested against ETP's, and if yes, then how did you compare to them directly, and how did ETP compare with AFR?
I would like to add that all dyno tests were with water temps in the 180-200 degree range, which will take away as much as 20 HP compared to being tested at 120 degree water temp.
09-06-2006, 08:15 PM
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I believe you Brian! You have never steered me wrong.
A few years ago I bought a pair of TEA Stage 1.5 heads. I bolted them on the car and with a TR224 cam and other supporting mods I went a best of 10.98 in great -1100ft DA air and ran consistent 11.30 in the heat.
I stepped up to a LG 230/230 cam and with the same heads and other supporting mods in great –DA air I went 10.91 in the ¼.
A few months ago I sold my 5.3 heads and LS6 intake and bought a FAST 90 intake and the TFS 215 heads. After a few passes and some tuning I went 10.97 in the ¼ in the middle of the summer with a DA of +1800ft. In similar -1000ft DA there is no doubt the car will go low 10.8x maybe quicker.
All these passes are on a stock 1998 short block with 500+ ¼ mile passes on it.
When Brian says that the heads make good power be sure that the heads will make great power.
These Trick Flow (TFS) heads do make great power!
John
A few years ago I bought a pair of TEA Stage 1.5 heads. I bolted them on the car and with a TR224 cam and other supporting mods I went a best of 10.98 in great -1100ft DA air and ran consistent 11.30 in the heat.
I stepped up to a LG 230/230 cam and with the same heads and other supporting mods in great –DA air I went 10.91 in the ¼.
A few months ago I sold my 5.3 heads and LS6 intake and bought a FAST 90 intake and the TFS 215 heads. After a few passes and some tuning I went 10.97 in the ¼ in the middle of the summer with a DA of +1800ft. In similar -1000ft DA there is no doubt the car will go low 10.8x maybe quicker.
All these passes are on a stock 1998 short block with 500+ ¼ mile passes on it.
When Brian says that the heads make good power be sure that the heads will make great power.
These Trick Flow (TFS) heads do make great power!
John
09-06-2006, 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Brian Tooley
I would put it at around 460-470 RWHP, which when you consider this would still be through a mass air sensor, no dyno tricks, real world power, is pretty stout. All of the top competitors heads were run back to back on the dyno and were 10-20 HP behind the TFS.
But if you could get 507.9RWHP through 4.56 gears on a stock shortblock H/C LS1 car that is driven on the street.. Why not use LS6 heads?
09-08-2006, 11:52 AM
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Nice numbers!
But if you could get 507.9RWHP through 4.56 gears on a stock shortblock H/C LS1 car that is driven on the street.. Why not use LS6 heads?
But if you could get 507.9RWHP through 4.56 gears on a stock shortblock H/C LS1 car that is driven on the street.. Why not use LS6 heads?
09-08-2006, 04:13 PM
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TFS currently has the 3.90" bore LS1 215cc head, the one in the dyno stuff above, a 4.00" bore LS2 225cc head, and should be coming out with a 235-240cc 4.00" bore head for the 402-408 crowd. It is our belief that the 4.125" bore market will be dominated by the LS7 head, but if the demand is there for a cathedral port 4.125" bore head, then I'm sure we could oblige
09-09-2006, 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Brian Tooley
TFS currently has the 3.90" bore LS1 215cc head, the one in the dyno stuff above, a 4.00" bore LS2 225cc head, and should be coming out with a 235-240cc 4.00" bore head for the 402-408 crowd. It is our belief that the 4.125" bore market will be dominated by the LS7 head, but if the demand is there for a cathedral port 4.125" bore head, then I'm sure we could oblige
09-12-2006, 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Brian Tooley
TFS currently has the 3.90" bore LS1 215cc head, the one in the dyno stuff above, a 4.00" bore LS2 225cc head, and should be coming out with a 235-240cc 4.00" bore head for the 402-408 crowd. It is our belief that the 4.125" bore market will be dominated by the LS7 head, but if the demand is there for a cathedral port 4.125" bore head, then I'm sure we could oblige
What is the price for the current TFS 225 cc ? Also $ on the future 235-240cc ?
Is their any larger combustion chamber than 64cc for Forced Induction ?
Thanks , I apreciate it .
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09-14-2006, 01:23 PM
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What is the price for the current TFS 225 cc ? Also $ on the future 235-240cc ?
Is their any larger combustion chamber than 64cc for Forced Induction ?
Thanks , I apreciate it .
Is their any larger combustion chamber than 64cc for Forced Induction ?
Thanks , I apreciate it .