402 results.....disappointment..?
10-25-2007, 07:19 AM
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The T-Rex was designed for stock heads and stock cubes. The heads you have are OK, but there are so many other better heads on the market these days. I still feel 500 is possible with those heads. Just don't expect to be at 525+ with them. Do some research and find a cam more specifit to your set-up.
10-25-2007, 09:15 AM
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Am I wrong? No. I'm not. If this guys wants what Vengeance gets for results he has tro go with the whole Vengeance package, not just TFS 215 heads. That is a fact.
I never once say the TFS 215 head is a dog do I ???? NO I dont, by all accounts its a great head. But even Vengeance will tell you its the combo that makes the power. Heck there was guy on here this summer who bolted up a set of 215's to his Vette straight away and gained nothing. There is more to it than just buying a better more expensive head. Can I make that more clear for anyone
10-25-2007, 09:23 AM
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I consider this to be misleading. There is no guaranty he will pick up 25 and to say Vengeance gets 550 leads him or me to believe that the heads alone are worth 75 more hp than what he currently has. What I said was and am saying is that its the whole combination from Vengeance not just thier head selection.
Am I wrong? No. I'm not. If this guys wants what Vengeance gets for results he has tro go with the whole Vengeance package, not just TFS 215 heads. That is a fact.
I never once say the TFS 215 head is a dog do I ???? NO I dont, by all accounts its a great head. But even Vengeance will tell you its the combo that makes the power. Heck there was guy on here this summer who bolted up a set of 215's to his Vette straight away and gained nothing. There is more to it than just buying a better more expensive head. Can I make that more clear for anyone
Am I wrong? No. I'm not. If this guys wants what Vengeance gets for results he has tro go with the whole Vengeance package, not just TFS 215 heads. That is a fact.
I never once say the TFS 215 head is a dog do I ???? NO I dont, by all accounts its a great head. But even Vengeance will tell you its the combo that makes the power. Heck there was guy on here this summer who bolted up a set of 215's to his Vette straight away and gained nothing. There is more to it than just buying a better more expensive head. Can I make that more clear for anyone
I dont understand what you are trying to say????
10-25-2007, 09:52 AM
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I consider this to be misleading. There is no guaranty he will pick up 25 and to say Vengeance gets 550 leads him or me to believe that the heads alone are worth 75 more hp than what he currently has. What I said was and am saying is that its the whole combination from Vengeance not just thier head selection.
Am I wrong? No. I'm not. If this guys wants what Vengeance gets for results he has tro go with the whole Vengeance package, not just TFS 215 heads. That is a fact.
I never once say the TFS 215 head is a dog do I ???? NO I dont, by all accounts its a great head. But even Vengeance will tell you its the combo that makes the power. Heck there was guy on here this summer who bolted up a set of 215's to his Vette straight away and gained nothing. There is more to it than just buying a better more expensive head. Can I make that more clear for anyone
Am I wrong? No. I'm not. If this guys wants what Vengeance gets for results he has tro go with the whole Vengeance package, not just TFS 215 heads. That is a fact.
I never once say the TFS 215 head is a dog do I ???? NO I dont, by all accounts its a great head. But even Vengeance will tell you its the combo that makes the power. Heck there was guy on here this summer who bolted up a set of 215's to his Vette straight away and gained nothing. There is more to it than just buying a better more expensive head. Can I make that more clear for anyone
Chill bro. Everyone knows its the whole package! Not just the heads! I`ve had several motors built for me so I know.
10-25-2007, 10:01 AM
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I consider this to be misleading. There is no guaranty he will pick up 25 and to say Vengeance gets 550 leads him or me to believe that the heads alone are worth 75 more hp than what he currently has. What I said was and am saying is that its the whole combination from Vengeance not just thier head selection.
Am I wrong? No. I'm not. If this guys wants what Vengeance gets for results he has tro go with the whole Vengeance package, not just TFS 215 heads. That is a fact.
I never once say the TFS 215 head is a dog do I ???? NO I dont, by all accounts its a great head. But even Vengeance will tell you its the combo that makes the power. Heck there was guy on here this summer who bolted up a set of 215's to his Vette straight away and gained nothing. There is more to it than just buying a better more expensive head. Can I make that more clear for anyone
Am I wrong? No. I'm not. If this guys wants what Vengeance gets for results he has tro go with the whole Vengeance package, not just TFS 215 heads. That is a fact.
I never once say the TFS 215 head is a dog do I ???? NO I dont, by all accounts its a great head. But even Vengeance will tell you its the combo that makes the power. Heck there was guy on here this summer who bolted up a set of 215's to his Vette straight away and gained nothing. There is more to it than just buying a better more expensive head. Can I make that more clear for anyone
Sorry, i don't get the point of your explanations...maybe try another way.
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10-25-2007, 11:58 AM
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I consider this to be misleading. There is no guaranty he will pick up 25 and to say Vengeance gets 550 leads him or me to believe that the heads alone are worth 75 more hp than what he currently has. What I said was and am saying is that its the whole combination from Vengeance not just thier head selection.
Am I wrong? No. I'm not. If this guys wants what Vengeance gets for results he has tro go with the whole Vengeance package, not just TFS 215 heads. That is a fact.
I never once say the TFS 215 head is a dog do I ???? NO I dont, by all accounts its a great head. But even Vengeance will tell you its the combo that makes the power. Heck there was guy on here this summer who bolted up a set of 215's to his Vette straight away and gained nothing. There is more to it than just buying a better more expensive head. Can I make that more clear for anyone
Am I wrong? No. I'm not. If this guys wants what Vengeance gets for results he has tro go with the whole Vengeance package, not just TFS 215 heads. That is a fact.
I never once say the TFS 215 head is a dog do I ???? NO I dont, by all accounts its a great head. But even Vengeance will tell you its the combo that makes the power. Heck there was guy on here this summer who bolted up a set of 215's to his Vette straight away and gained nothing. There is more to it than just buying a better more expensive head. Can I make that more clear for anyone
10-25-2007, 12:21 PM
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Strange language you are using for answering a question I am not the only one to ask...
And one more time I am asking to build up an informative thread.
Maybe too much bitch wants to troll you?
Seriously???
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I consider this to be misleading. There is no guaranty he will pick up 25 and to say Vengeance gets 550 leads him or me to believe that the heads alone are worth 75 more hp than what he currently has. What I said was and am saying is that its the whole combination from Vengeance not just thier head selection.
Am I wrong? No. I'm not. If this guys wants what Vengeance gets for results he has tro go with the whole Vengeance package, not just TFS 215 heads. That is a fact.
I never once say the TFS 215 head is a dog do I ???? NO I dont, by all accounts its a great head. But even Vengeance will tell you its the combo that makes the power. Heck there was guy on here this summer who bolted up a set of 215's to his Vette straight away and gained nothing. There is more to it than just buying a better more expensive head. Can I make that more clear for anyone
Am I wrong? No. I'm not. If this guys wants what Vengeance gets for results he has tro go with the whole Vengeance package, not just TFS 215 heads. That is a fact.
I never once say the TFS 215 head is a dog do I ???? NO I dont, by all accounts its a great head. But even Vengeance will tell you its the combo that makes the power. Heck there was guy on here this summer who bolted up a set of 215's to his Vette straight away and gained nothing. There is more to it than just buying a better more expensive head. Can I make that more clear for anyone
You need to learn how to read. I think that was said to make the point that Ron knows how to tune, not nessecarily that this guy will pick up that much power by switching heads.
10-25-2007, 02:05 PM
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Wow, this got out of control in a hurry.
Bickering aside, it seems as though everyone agrees that the components of the setup were not matched properly, and that bargain products typically get you bargain performance, although there are exceptions.
From what I've read in these forums, I can't imagine the solution to your power problem is anything more than giving Ron or someone at Vengeance a call, stating your goals, and opening your wallet. But if you're not confident in their work, it doesn't hurt to try out a different tuner just to reassure yourself before you spend all of that money on an entirely new setup (keeping in mind that you may be out the money on that retune if it nets similar results).
Good luck and keep us posted!
Oh yeah, and just from personal experience, I would take out a loan to purchase more expensive, higher quality heads before purchasing a set of Patriots. Luckily, it was my car's previous owner who spent that money and not myself. I will be replacing them at some point in the future.
Bickering aside, it seems as though everyone agrees that the components of the setup were not matched properly, and that bargain products typically get you bargain performance, although there are exceptions.
From what I've read in these forums, I can't imagine the solution to your power problem is anything more than giving Ron or someone at Vengeance a call, stating your goals, and opening your wallet. But if you're not confident in their work, it doesn't hurt to try out a different tuner just to reassure yourself before you spend all of that money on an entirely new setup (keeping in mind that you may be out the money on that retune if it nets similar results).
Good luck and keep us posted!
Oh yeah, and just from personal experience, I would take out a loan to purchase more expensive, higher quality heads before purchasing a set of Patriots. Luckily, it was my car's previous owner who spent that money and not myself. I will be replacing them at some point in the future.
10-25-2007, 02:47 PM
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This has been a learning experience for me. I now know what must be done to get good numbers out of a car. I never doubted that Mike and Ron knew what they were doing. It was a bad combination of parts due to little research. I am going to give Brian Tooley a call so he can give me some pointers on what cam should be used. Anyone want to buy any pp heads or a t-rex cam? LOL. I NEED to get at least 500 rwhp out of this car with the $$$ I've spent. New heads and cam soon to come.....