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Old 04-01-2008, 05:01 PM
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Default 408 w/ Dart 225 #'s ... A4

As of last night, with just break-in time on the motor the numbers were;

482rwhp and 434rwtq

The car: 2002 WS6, full street trim

The set-up;

Built A4
Yank, SS3600
iron block, 408
Dart 225's (Bret Bauer enhanced)
Stock rockers
Custom Cam 23X/24X (Bret Bauer spec)
Ported FAST 90/90
85mm MAF
UD Pulley
AR 1 7/8" emission headers and catted Y (all emissions still hooked up)
LM1 (need to add some extra mufflers )
S60, w/ 3:73's
315 M/T's on 17x11 TTII's

Since there are a lot who know more than I do, I put my $$ in the most capable hands that I know of. I gave my engine builder, ***** Wiggins (Wiggins Racing), a simple outline, "<10.99 full weight car and 16mpg (or better)". He got with Bret and together mapped out this set-up. I can't verify the mpg yet but the dyno numbers suggest the ET's will be there. *****'s dyno numbers are usually a little lower than the rest in our area (I've seen as much as 20hp difference) so, I have the most confidence I'll get the ET's to match the numbers.

A graph is on the way!

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Those are good numbers for an stalled A4 with a Dana S60 and 3.73's. Do you know your actual raceweight?
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Yeah, nice job Junior. I'm happy/Jealous for you.
But I'm still looking at 470+rwhp. Unless ***** sabotages me. lol.

So, question is, are you gonna dyno on Sat?
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Do you know how much $$ BB charged and what did he do to your heads?
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No, I don't know the actual raceweight. The only thing removed from the car is the front sway bar (10lbs??) .. everything else I've put on it weighed more than what I took off so .. she's a pig!

Yes Vos .. I'll be there! Enjoy the high HP stock 10 bolt while you can! That 9" and 4:10's are gonna sap the life out of your numbers
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Originally Posted by junior28570
No, I don't know the actual raceweight. The only thing removed from the car is the front sway bar (10lbs??) .. everything else I've put on it weighed more than what I took off so .. she's a pig!

Yes Vos .. I'll be there! Enjoy the high HP stock 10 bolt while you can! That 9" and 4:10's are gonna sap the life out of your numbers
I'll put down 430-440 on a calibrated dyno after with my 9" and 4.10s.
And, My 402 will be well built for next year, with a lot-o-something extra. ie 88mm and or 150-250 shot. Can't wait to drag your 408 down KDS, NAM, CPD, or on the Street. lol

Here comes the **** talkin'! lol
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Originally Posted by waterbug1999
Do you know how much $$ BB charged and what did he do to your heads?
I had busted a couple pistons on my 346 so they needed a little cleaning up. I had 3 bent valves to boot. To deck the heads, valve and port work, set the springs (set up to match the cam specs) etc .. very reasonable! PM me and I'll get you the finer details!
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Originally Posted by 1BDTRAM
I'll put down 430-440 on a calibrated dyno after with my 9" and 4.10s.
And, My 402 will be well built for next year, with a lot-o-something extra. ie 88mm and or 150-250 shot. Can't wait to drag your 408 down KDS, NAM, CPD, or on the Street. lol

Here comes the **** talkin'! lol
You talk as if this is build is over .. tisk tisk ..
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Originally Posted by junior28570
I had busted a couple pistons on my 346 so they needed a little cleaning up. I had 3 bent valves to boot. To deck the heads, valve and port work, set the springs (set up to match the cam specs) etc .. very reasonable! PM me and I'll get you the finer details!

I was wanting to get my Dart 205's ported/cleaned up since I have to pull them off the car due to a leaky head gasket.

I was just wanting to compare quotes/prices.
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Originally Posted by 1BDTRAM
I'll put down 430-440 on a calibrated dyno after with my 9" and 4.10s.
And, My 402 will be well built for next year, with a lot-o-something extra. ie 88mm and or 150-250 shot. Can't wait to drag your 408 down KDS, NAM, CPD, or on the Street. lol

Here comes the **** talkin'! lol
What do you mean "on a calibrated dyno"? Who around here has a dyno with a Eddy current brake? That's the only thing that has to be calibrated.


Junior you 408 should handle a decent shot of Nitrous as well. The rings are already gapped for it.

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great numbers! bret really knows how to spec a combo
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Awesome numbers man Congrats with that REAR,Stall and catted Y-pipe.

Can you share the lift and LSA on the cam??
Where the hell did you get MT 315 35 17 those tires are backorder everywhere???
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Originally Posted by willyfastz
What do you mean "on a calibrated dyno"? Who around here has a dyno with a Eddy current brake? That's the only thing that has to be calibrated.


Junior you 408 should handle a decent shot of Nitrous as well. The rings are already gapped for it.
dont thowin' ATVs and deisels on there through cailbration??
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Originally Posted by junior28570
You talk as if this is build is over .. tisk tisk ..
Ohhhhhh ****! here we go! lol
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Originally Posted by venom ws7
Awesome numbers man Congrats with that REAR,Stall and catted Y-pipe.

Can you share the lift and LSA on the cam??
Where the hell did you get MT 315 35 17 those tires are backorder everywhere???
Understandably, Bret prefers to keep some things off the boards. Feel free to PM him, he's not too hard to find

I've had these M/T's for about a year. I've only got about 200 miles on them so far .. but that's fixing to change I have been following the backorder thing ... I heard they had lost DOT certification though???

Waterbug .. Bret's Dart 205 CNC program will far outflow what was done to these 225's. I would PM him for a quote .. his 205 work is amazing!
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Or you can just pm me for pricing on Brets port work. His CNC Dart 205 heads flow 345+, but that may be way more than your wanting. You may just want some cleanup and a valve job.
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Wow, strong numbers.
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Originally Posted by PewterScreaminMach
Wow, strong numbers.
Yeah not at all considering the TC, gears, and MTs on the dyno.
***** has a very good reputation around here.
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Originally Posted by waterbug1999
I was wanting to get my Dart 205's ported/cleaned up since I have to pull them off the car due to a leaky head gasket.

I was just wanting to compare quotes/prices.
Jody, whatever you spend with Bret will be more than worth the money.

If you talk to him alot, you may learn a little also. I know I did.
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Damn good numbers man!



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