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Old Sep 28, 2008 | 10:23 AM
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I have a 2000 WS6 with MS3 cam and terminator heads. LS6 intake. stock bottom end and stock injectors. I have 4.10's
He took 3 degrees of timing to keep the car from running lean.
car put down 442rwhp and 402rwtq.
I thought it would put down more. Do you guys know what would of held me back? I believe that the injectors would have helped.
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Old Sep 28, 2008 | 10:28 AM
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**** dude those are nice numbers, I wouldn't say they're low at all. Get rid of that LS6 intake for another nice little gain. With the injectors your tuner can tell if they're getting maxed.
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Old Sep 28, 2008 | 10:54 AM
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took timing to keep from running lean?....does your tuner know that fueling not timing=lean or rich conditions....or do you mean he pulled timing to keep it from knocking (KR)....your injectors are near 100% especially since you have the 2000 injectors...you could go to 2001+ 28.8s and give it another go....but i would just go with say a set of FAST 36lb injectors (they are the same injectors that came in the ASA cars) so your tuner can plug in all the data GM has on them into all of your injector tables
i assume you want a fast setup eventually mind as well have the extra injectors so you dont have to worry about it later...you made really good numbers...i dont see a pulley in your sig, or any catback info...i suggest a cutout for max power.
congrats on the power
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Old Sep 28, 2008 | 12:46 PM
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On the second pull my car went lean and he said that my injectors were maxed out. and yea they are stock injectors. I thought about putting in 36lb or 42lb injectors in with alarger fuel rail and fuel pump. the fast 90/90 is something ill do eventually.
what kind difference will the bigger injectors make?
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Old Sep 28, 2008 | 01:04 PM
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put a cutout and pulley, injectors on it and i bet it will go 465
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Old Sep 28, 2008 | 01:13 PM
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Injectors will be safer and allow for a better tune/allow for more mods like a Ported Fast which would=more power. What boltons do you have?
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Old Sep 28, 2008 | 02:04 PM
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yea injectors you can give your car proper fueling and wont have to run less timing to combat the lean condition that your insufficient injectors are causing
what exhaust setup you running and do you have a underdrive pulley
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Old Sep 29, 2008 | 02:19 AM
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Originally Posted by cbra-klla
put a cutout and pulley, injectors on it and i bet it will go 465

I agree ^^^^


I Think you should be happy with the numbers since there is lots left on the table.
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Old Sep 29, 2008 | 05:48 AM
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Good #'s throw a fast on it.
Have your tuner check the duty cycle on your injectors to.
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Old Sep 29, 2008 | 06:01 AM
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Yeah dude buy some 42# injectors and a fuel pump.
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Old Sep 29, 2008 | 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by cbra-klla
put a cutout and pulley, injectors on it and i bet it will go 465
i saw to-fst-4u on here lose 3hp with the cut out open vs. closed on his t/a and you dont have to put up with that obnoxious sound that you get with it open..
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I have Lt's with cutout already. i don't have a pulley, i didnt know if they were worth the money. he told me with the bigger injectors it would put 360-365rwhp!!!
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Old Sep 29, 2008 | 09:21 AM
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Are the heads milled?
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Old Sep 29, 2008 | 09:33 AM
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what the hell are terminator heads/ got a link? how much? CC's? flow #'s chart?
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Old Sep 29, 2008 | 10:17 AM
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Those sound like solid numbers with the injectors maxed out and no pulley. Throw a pulley on and definitely put the new injectors in and you'll almost surely see an improvement.
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Old Sep 29, 2008 | 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by FBGSU02
I have Lt's with cutout already. i don't have a pulley, i didnt know if they were worth the money. he told me with the bigger injectors it would put 360-365rwhp!!!

U been drinking????
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Old Sep 30, 2008 | 02:57 PM
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yea i drink all the time. i just repeated what i was told, i am no expert thats why i asked you guys.
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Old Sep 30, 2008 | 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by FBGSU02
yea i drink all the time. i just repeated what i was told, i am no expert thats why i asked you guys.
i said that b/c of what U put...relook at ur post...365? think u meant 465
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Old Sep 30, 2008 | 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by FBGSU02
yea i drink all the time..



Great solid numbers. You are defintely leaving some on the table.
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Old Oct 1, 2008 | 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted by rsodeputy61
i said that b/c of what U put...relook at ur post...365? think u meant 465

you will have to excuse him guys..... the tuner backed off because he more than maxed out the injectors. There is plenty on the table and yea he meant 465 not 365. I have been telling you to get bigger injectors! His mods are LT's, cutout with stock muffler, 6 speed with 4.10 gears in a 10 bolt (can you say ), heads and cam (all parts involved with the swap), a lid, bbk 80mm TB, and tune. He just needs more injectors.
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