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1997 Ford Mustang GT - 142k miles, hardtop
Factory options
Automatic
Every option except Mach 460 (automatic, 3.27 rear, leather seats, pw, pdl, ps, pm, cc, 17" alloy wheels)
Modifications
UPR o/r X pipe
SCT SF3/X3 (87 race)
Gutted from front seats back, including trunk (no seat delete kit)

1993 Mitsubishi 3000GT SL - 160k miles
Factory options
5spd
Cloth seats, pw, pdl, ps, pm, cc, sunroof
Modifications
None to my knowledge. Car isn't running optimally owner claims, but still wants to race because he says he beat a 454 Caprice.

Just wanna know what outcome should be expected. This is for a friend. Those with automatics who wanna chime in about what else my bud could do to improve times/speed, please feel free to do so. Thanks!

ScreaminRedZ

iTrader: (3)

Damn, this is gonna be one slow race, lol.

If I had to guess, I'd go with the Mustang. I'm betting that the Mustang has a slight weight advantage and similar horsepower, with more torque. Of course the automatic is gonna hurt him.

Is this going to be a dig race or roll race?

gocartone

iTrader: (4)

My money would be on the Mustang too, a stock non-turbo 3KGT is only good for low 16s.

getlearned

I would hope a three (or whatever count really) honk roll because from a dig, I don't think the 3000GT stands a chance (if it does anyway). My buddy was pulling 9.7s in the 1/8th with a misfire, bad fuel pump and used (bald) street tires. If I'm not mistaken his intake manifold was cracked and leaking coolant (cause of misfire) into the plug wells. Now with a better flowing exhaust and more aggressive tune, I'd say he's probably good for a 9.4-9.5 (ground-breaking, I know).

I've been with him for two races;

1) I/C/E + full bolt-on (5spd) third gen Eclipse - dead even both races, both from a roll
2) Fox Mustang convertible with lightweight 15" wheels, Flowmaster exhaust (supposedly) and a shift kit. Many races, many different times. His '97 pulled neck and neck stock. Had the 'vert beat to 100MPH with a misfire, and pretty sure would eat it alive now with it running right and lightly modded.

I don't know, shouldn't be too close of a race. Still calling BS on the 454 win.

ScreaminRedZ

iTrader: (3)

I will say that I raced a 3000GT SL with my stock 1994 Trans Am (A4) a while back. We went from a very low 1st gear roll and he was right next to me until about 50 mph, which was very suprising. After that it fell on its face and I pulled away hard.

Let us know how it goes down.

getlearned

Odds are it wasn't stock. I've been doing a little research to give him insight about what he's in for, and finding the specs of a stock 3000GT was almost a joke; 0-60 in 8.4 seconds, the 1/4 mile in 16.2 seconds. I know the pre-PI Mustangs are a joke and all, but stock they were still a good bit quicker than the 3000GT it looks.

ScreaminRedZ

iTrader: (3)

You're right, it had some bolt-ons. It was still suprising since all you hear about is the crazy low end torque of the LT1.

I think the gearing might help the 3000GT down low, but probably sucks after that, although I've never done any research on it, so I could be way off on that.

getlearned

The Mustang should win regardless. I just don't see it ending any other way, especially the more I look at and compare specs/stats. He wants me to drive though, like my foot has any advantage over his.

'93 Mitsu 3kGT
Automatic, DNP hardpipe w/ HKS SMF, 3SX, DNP (no cat), 92 pump and a 55 dry shot. All that more than makes up for the difference between an automatic and 5spd. Ole Mustang should have a beautiful walk in the park. Trying to encourage him to run 93 and re-tune since he can, but I doubt he will. Definitely will be another SR&K story.

Irunelevens

Mustang's got this one.

getlearned

So as-is it's pretty much determined the Mustang beats the 3000GT. What about when the owner 'fixes' his car? How close will the two be then? The guy is a real punk, won't stop with the "I beat a 454 Caprice." I want the best for the Mustang. Only real race its seen running 100%.

inb43000gtownermakesexcusesaboutnotrunningright

gocartone

iTrader: (4)

What kind of 454 Caprice? The mid-late 70's one that put down all of low 200s when brand new? I would have a hard time trying to believe he lost to one of those. Engine size doesn't mean ****, nor do made up dyno numbers everyone seems to pull out of their ***. It seems like people running in his class (high 15's and slower) tend to run their mouths.

getlearned

I don't even know the guy with the 3000GT. All I have to go by is what I'm told, and I'm told he claims to have outran a 454 Caprice. I don't know the technicals, but if he loses to a (very) lightly modded pre-PI Mustang GT, then I can bet this 454 Caprice never existed - or he didn't know they were racing. Also, Mr.3000 claims a bone stock top speed of I think 150 or so?

I've always been a fan of just line 'em up. Never mind average dyno numbers, trap speeds, ETs, etc. Just put 'em in the street/on the track and run 'em heads up.

TheHitman

iTrader: (2)

I almost guarantee if he beat a 454 Caprice it was a late 90's model with 22"s on it.

MR_M

iTrader: (5)

Lol, tough one here. I'm gonna guess the mustang...

gocartone

iTrader: (4)

IDK why you think it was something special because it was a 454 lol. There are plenty of 454's that would be an even match for my pedal bike. 150 isn't hard to believe but it's going to take a year to get there.

getlearned

I don't think it was something special, the owner of the 3kGT does. If you haven't noticed, I pilot a 10-sec. 281 that will run circles around any of the three cars mentioned here, bigger cubic inch or not. The sole purpose of this thread was to answer the questions of a buddy who otherwise doesn't know what the expected outcome is. It doesn't matter what I tell him, my insight isn't as good because my slowest car was a bolt-on LS1 SS, even still faster than any of the three cars mentioned here.

But I'll be honest, I'm just as curious of the outcome, snail race or not. Only because last night, I met the guy with the 3000. Can't wait to see his *** pulled. ******' tool..

ScreaminRedZ

iTrader: (3)

There's gotta be a story here.

BOBS99SS

iTrader: (2)

Man this is like the turtle vs a sloth,lol ill go mustang,

Arc00TA

iTrader: (17)

Honestly, the mustang has this one even with that god-awful slushbox. My stock SL put down 160fwhp and 150 tq. The mustang is probably putting 190/250+ down, plus weight reduction. It'll be like watching mold grow in a pitri dish though.

getlearned

The deuce-eating, wrong wheel drive driver with over-sized dick sucking lips is now using his "not optimally running" slowthousandGT as an excuse. Oh but it's OK, he's sure he'd "whoop that ***" with a 100% running car. Bah, set yourself on fire and do the world a favor.

Should have been swallowed anyway.