WS6TransAm01

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lol...

but you and I both know that the Democrats love their policy of "Do As I Say, Not As I Do"

lol

People think that this administration will give us more credibility. Surely it will with No Korea and China, even Russia maybe. But if I was the Chancellor of Germany or Prime Minister of Great Britain, I would laugh at Obama, and shake my head at the American people...

Angela Markel ~ "Look James, they could have chosen a decorated war hero with years of international and domestic polecy experience instead they got a community organizer's"
James Gordon Brown ~ well what do you expect... those damn yanks have lost their minds... Just wave and pretend you care about what he has to say"
Angela Markel ~ "Alright, but when he starts having tea with the ayatollah we're out of here!"

Mr. B

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Michelle Obama's Thesis:


http://www.politico.com/pdf/080222_M...esis_1-251.pdf

http://www.politico.com/pdf/080222_M...sis_26-501.pdf

http://www.politico.com/pdf/080222_M...sis_51-751.pdf

http://dyn.politico.com/pdf/080222_M...sis_76-981.pdf

z28C4maro82z

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Humorous yes. Is it relevant, no. Just laugh okay

TheTugBoat

tektrans

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I always enjoy our discussions Alex, you definately have VERY valid points so don't think for a second I totally disagree with you or discount what you're saying.
I believe your thinking on this as a whole is correct. However when people responsible for investing your money are doing so irresponsibly and Americans are losing their life's savings and these same people are getting milions of dollars in bonusues and such for doing a shitty job regardless of how it affects the American worker and their families something has to change. That's NOT the American way.
The way it has worked for years and years the average American worker is the one who has suffered, we're told to save money for retirement, "invest in the future", given tax breaks for putting money in 401k's etc., buy a house-it's a good investment "American Dream" to own a home right? Now these same Americans are losing their shirt because of what has happened in this country and the fat cat's get to keep their "share"? I say no-Obama says no, no more tax breaks for the rich, no more bonuses for these jerk-off's responsible for taking care or our hard earned money, no more people out of touch with today's state of healthcare making descisions about our health, no more mortgage schemes or any other crap they try and pull to steal from the economy and the American worker. This country was built on the backs of hard working American's-which in turn allows the entrepenure's to florish-one can't do without the other, it's all supposed to work together. Unfortunalety it isn't right now.

2002_z28_m6

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Well with Joe Biden as VP we know taxes on Alcohol wont go up. He is always hammered it seems.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmRXH7RkCZQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TBNeNHHXEY

slayer_taunu

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Chavez from Venezuela is already talking **** about obama
http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE50G2F420090117

bspz28

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**** Obama. I'm moving to Canada ..

WS6TransAm01

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I enjoy humerous fiction as much as the next guy.

But I find a trip through the non-fiction and reference section to be a lot more interesting:

JoeyAnderson

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If the inmates love him, everybody should.

z28C4maro82z

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That picture is hilarious. I took notice to the "formality" of flip flops too, and the picture on the wall. That's a funny picture

*posted this a little late I guess, I was referring to Alex's posted picture

325trooper

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The commander in chief of the armed forces during a time of war. God help us.

WS6TransAm01

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Mark,

Its funny that you mention problems with the “American Dream”, two things that you noted are particularly of interest in this discourse.

1. Buying your own home and loosing money on it:
Part of this problem was cause by organizations like Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac. Yet one of the people who deregulated those two entities and allowed them to hand out mortgages like they were going out of style was a Congressman names Barney Frank! A hardcore leftist and HUGE Obama supported. So a democrat contributed immensely to the problems we have with housing prices in the country, and you vote for a democrat for president? How does that make sense?

2 Your retirement
President Bush saw the failure of the Social Security system as run by the government and wanted to allow individuals, if they choose, to have some say as to how their money is invested for their retirement. You are upset with how the government handles you money, here was a chance, given to you by a Republican to manage your own future, and yet you voted for a Democrat. A democrat who along with all his other idealistic buddies who believe the government knows better then you voted against the measure. How does that make sense?

When we spoke on the day of the election you said that he is going to lower taxes for you, and take from those who make more then you. I paraphrase of course, but that is socialism. Being handed money is not the American dream. It may be Karl Marx’s wet dream, but it was not the idea of Thomas Jefferson and George Washington.

WS6TransAm01

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With 11% of the black males age 30-35, can you imagine if they were allowed to vote? LOL It would ahve been a landslide!

Iran did whaaaaat? They attaaaacked uuus? Noooo way! Nah man, I don't waaana go to waaar maaaan... not with theeeem. I heard theeey have some aaaaaaaaweeeesome Hash!

omcar

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if you don't like who our new president is why don't you try running for president and see how far you get with all your negativity and small mindedness.
This is how a democracy works..if you can't handle it, go live in Crawford Texas.

WS6TransAm01

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Being a democracy gives me the right to say how much I don't like him.

When Bush was president and 76% of people did not like him, why did they not move to Canada?

I would love to run for president, unfortunatly there are a few things agains me. Lack of money, I am not 35 years old, and the fact that I was not born in the US.

z28C4maro82z

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Well Alex, there is propaganda stating that Barak was not a U.S. born citizen either, have to heard of that one. Supposedly the last I had read he was still yet to prove fact of a legal birth certificate. There was actually a lawyer out of Philadelphia I believe that brought a court case up against this issue and throughout the election and all it just never got taken into consideration.

He said he was born in one hospital in Hawaii, and his sister mentioned another hospital there. Another relative I believe said he was born in Kenya????? Then I heard the U.K. However, rather than fight me on this issue, why is it that he fights providing documentation on this?????

Jolly

I didn't read all of this and I won't debate our international policies of Bush.

Just wanted to point out how much Pelosi and our great congress has done for us. The president is only part of the picture here. Without the backing of the house and senate nothing will ever get done. No matter what president, Dem or Rep, is in the office. In any case why would a Democratic Congress support Bush in the first place. It was in their interest to screw things up.

tektrans

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no no Alex, Fannie Mae and Freddie mac didn't "cause" the problems but they were affected greatly by it, as were many banks/instititions. It was the selling of "unsecured mortgages" disguised as secured ones that led to the housing crisis and that Alex is what caused this mess. And who is responsible for that? Who is responsible for investing the retirement/ investment money in bad mortgages? Certainly not the average American worker.


It's not the average American that knows how/where to invest for the future, they rely and professional help for that. Gov't gives tax breaks for certain deductions that apply to retirement etc. so the public is driven in that direction. The deceit made possible by the RICH or I'll say a select FEW is what put that strategy in the crap state it's in now. So now it needs regulation and redistribution. You can even call it as you have socialism.
Maybe a bit of socialism is what this nation needs right now is what I'm saying.

I agree with you Alex on the idealism. Unfortunately the system has been corrupted so this bit of "temporary socialism" I'll call it seems to be needed now.
Being handed money is not the American dream I agree but losing it because others corrupted our system isn't the American dream either. Losing a life's savings by following the "rules" that have been drilled into your head since day one because certain people are trying to make money they didn't earn isn't right and needs to be fixed.

I never said I was upset with how the gov't was handling my money Alex, I said I was uspet at these companies which are investing money, American worker money, losing it and still getting their suits huge money and bonuses. I said I was upset with the gov't with respect to these institions, in addition to being rewarded for losing people's money and profiting from it, are being givin' tax breaks and are being allowed to continue to profit hugely in the absence of performance/ competence regarding the handling of American worker earnings.

Your "American Ideals" are pure Alex and I told you as much, I hope America can get back to those ideals as soon as this crap gets resolved

tektrans

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btw, this IS a cool thread, pretty civil, DEFINATLEY entertaining and educational.
Cool to hear so many different viewpoints from everyone.