The Camaro is back!!!
Well, I like the new Camaro's looks--the rear quarters sure look retro 67-69, but IRS turns me right off. Wonder if they are actually made, will it be in, or out of the country? I'm sure they aren't about to open a new mfg. plant in the US...A 4000 lb. new Camaro will do nothing but make the lighter, solid rear '98-'02 Camaro and Trans Am cars escalate in value, and that is a good thing for people who still own them, cause the bottom sure has fallen out from under these cars re-sale wise in the past yr. or 2. Looking back, I should've tucked my '02 SS away in the corner of a garage and walked away from it for a few yrs.--especially w/only 5500 miles on the clock.....shoulda, coulda, woulda. 
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Originally Posted by OrangesomSS
Warren, some company's make a pretty nice hardened steel rear half shaft for only $250, my dad hasnt broken one yet and it has 800 rwhp
WJ the Challenger concept carries that 4000lb body weight but im pretty sure the production challenger will be about 400lbs lighter. the magnum wagon with a hemi in it weighs in at 4200lbs and the challenger chassis is based off that of the magnum/300 but its alot shorter in wheel base.
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[QUOTE=Nautilus] damn straight 
the irs will be easy to fix with hardened hardware that is already available because of the gto, or u can always swap in a 12 bolt. damn ya gotta love the aftermarket 
if i can afford one ill definately buy it. do some long tubes, xpipe, catback, and tune. maybe a nice little dry shot like i have now and it will be my street car and my LS1 will slowly become a full drag car, with plates of course
Originally Posted by Humvee z28
u guys keep thinking that challanger is gonna be faster...i may make more power, by 25 hp but the damn thing is gonna weigh over 4k pounds... there is a side by side picture of it in the multimedia forum. i wish i could find it to show ya but its like looking at a full size car to a mid size. 
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All three, the shelby, the Camaro and the challenger are looking to be over 4k lbs. The good thing about the camaro is, if it gets the LS2, there will already be a huge aftermarket following
[/QUOTEAll three, the shelby, the Camaro and the challenger are looking to be over 4k lbs. The good thing about the camaro is, if it gets the LS2, there will already be a huge aftermarket following
the irs will be easy to fix with hardened hardware that is already available because of the gto, or u can always swap in a 12 bolt. damn ya gotta love the aftermarket if i can afford one ill definately buy it. do some long tubes, xpipe, catback, and tune. maybe a nice little dry shot like i have now and it will be my street car and my LS1 will slowly become a full drag car, with plates of course 
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Originally Posted by Orange Krush
Let's hope this one get, firsts off the concept table and into the showroom!
Thanx for all the pics!
Thanx for all the pics!
Originally Posted by LSwonderfull
Several things first: Bob its great to see you are still around! Second WJ be careful when listening to Chrysler about there 450 Hp or torque challengers, they have so called 345hp Hemis in there trucks that i have seen personally smoked by 285hp 5.3 Chevy trucks here in SC at the track. It takes more than HP claims to win races, nobody knows more about winning races than GM, PERIOD.
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Originally Posted by WJ SOM SS
I hear you, Jeff... My friend's waiting on a 425 hp version of the Charger. It should be here any day now, so I'll give everyone a first hand report on how it goes very shortly--if the roads remain fairly dry around here. It looks heavy, and probably is. 425 is alot of ponies, though, no matter how you cut it...Jeff, I'm sure you've lined up next to a old 440 wedge, or 426 street Hemi auto in a old Coronet or Plymouth body at the track in your day. The ones that are still around still bring home the bacon most every time down the 1/4. I bleed Chevy bowtie blood just like you, but those 60's and early 70's Mopars are just plain scary on the dragstrip.... I believe his 425 hp Charger will be one of the first in the area... WJ
WJ he ran a 12.4 to my 12.2. now bare in mind i had just ran an 11.6 2 days before. gourgous car though..... 
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Originally Posted by Humvee z28
i dont know warren i took a worked over 426 hemi roadrunner on a shitty *** launch. he told me after he had a larger cam, worked over heads, and a big carb on it he ran a 12.4 to my 12.2. now bare in mind i had just ran an 11.6 2 days before. gourgous car though..... i trapped 114 to his 112.
he ran a 12.4 to my 12.2. now bare in mind i had just ran an 11.6 2 days before. gourgous car though..... i trapped 114 to his 112. WJ 11 Second Club
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Originally Posted by WJ SOM SS
Well, most of the good ones are running low 10's and deep into the 9's. That had to be a slug. We have 3 or 4 in our club that run consistent 9's, and a pair of Hemi-Cudas that run 8's. Lots of killer old 440 and 426 Mopars in our CMDR club. You sure that wasn't a 383" Roadrunner? I don't think that I've ever seen a 426 Hemi w/a single 4 bbl. carb. They're all dual-quads...Anyway, the prepped ones really fly.... WJ
WJ no this thing is all original flawless condition with the except of the motor work on shitty polyglass tires. yes it was a 426 hemi and my father who was and still is a mopar guy will vouch for it. all original car, he runs in the FAST series. he was once offered a 150grand for it, but turned it down. still has the original window sticker. he has a matching 440 6 pack car to go with it. dude has WAY too much money. thanks for taking away my glory... i thought a light bolton car running wit da big bad hemi was impressive 
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WJ, Bruso's vette is running Et streets, not Nittos, im not sure what type of half shaft it is but its only been replace once, and remember this car has around 800rwhp...as far as the camaro is concerned i highgly doubt GM's production version of the camaro will be as drastic and far at as this. And the word is it will be built in Canada...and although a solid axle rear end is better for the drags most of the cars sold most likely wont even see the drag strip. Im with you WJ a solid would be nice, but its just not what the public wants
Originally Posted by Humvee z28
if u consider low 12s at 112 a slug than u must be talking about a full on drag car no this thing is all original flawless condition with the except of the motor work on shitty polyglass tires. yes it was a 426 hemi and my father who was and still is a mopar guy will vouch for it. all original car, he runs in the FAST series. he was once offered a 150grand for it, but turned it down. still has the original window sticker. he has a matching 440 6 pack car to go with it. dude has WAY too much money. thanks for taking away my glory... i thought a light bolton car running wit da big bad hemi was impressive
no this thing is all original flawless condition with the except of the motor work on shitty polyglass tires. yes it was a 426 hemi and my father who was and still is a mopar guy will vouch for it. all original car, he runs in the FAST series. he was once offered a 150grand for it, but turned it down. still has the original window sticker. he has a matching 440 6 pack car to go with it. dude has WAY too much money. thanks for taking away my glory... i thought a light bolton car running wit da big bad hemi was impressive WJ
Originally Posted by Borderlinedragracing
WJ, Bruso's vette is running Et streets, not Nittos, im not sure what type of half shaft it is but its only been replace once, and remember this car has around 800rwhp...as far as the camaro is concerned i highgly doubt GM's production version of the camaro will be as drastic and far at as this. And the word is it will be built in Canada...and although a solid axle rear end is better for the drags most of the cars sold most likely wont even see the drag strip. Im with you WJ a solid would be nice, but its just not what the public wants
WJ 
Originally Posted by WJ SOM SS
Regarding the rears: The GTO's are breaking, the Cadillacs are breaking, and the stick Corvettes are breaking w/race use and less...Why not put a rear in the car that will take some abuse? They had 12 bolt rears available from the factory on their muscle cars back in '67....Why can't they offer one now??? WJ
WJI agree completely, I've seen a good handful break at the track, and that was only going a couple times this year.
most of the cars sold most likely wont even see the drag strip. A solid would be nice, but its just not what the public wants
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Originally Posted by Nautilus
I agree completely, I've seen a good handful break at the track, and that was only going a couple times this year.
I completely disagree with this argument. The general public doesn't care if it's got irs or a solid rear... sure the editors from the car mags will slam a car for not having IRS but thats not the general public. Although your right, most of these cars will not see a dragstrip, but more of them will see a dragstrip on a busy friday night than will ever see a road course. And the average car buyer couldn't tell you what the difference between IRS and a solid rear is. So I think the general population should be written out of the equation when it comes to this, if they have their 6 disk changers and one touch push button power windows... they wouldn't even look to see if the car has a motor....lol I think they should leave the irs to the GTO and the Vette and give us a 12 bolt.... But thats just me
I completely disagree with this argument. The general public doesn't care if it's got irs or a solid rear... sure the editors from the car mags will slam a car for not having IRS but thats not the general public. Although your right, most of these cars will not see a dragstrip, but more of them will see a dragstrip on a busy friday night than will ever see a road course. And the average car buyer couldn't tell you what the difference between IRS and a solid rear is. So I think the general population should be written out of the equation when it comes to this, if they have their 6 disk changers and one touch push button power windows... they wouldn't even look to see if the car has a motor....lol I think they should leave the irs to the GTO and the Vette and give us a 12 bolt.... But thats just me
Well, I want GM to do whatever it takes to make these cars marketable. In this current market, everyone is bragging about 4 wheel independant suspension. SUV's now have em, the top of the line mustang had em etc, etc. The weak 10 bolt never stopped anyone serious about drag racing. Many of the A4 guys have gotten well into the 11s with the stock rear without touching it. Add a rear girdle, change the fluid often, and they seem to last for a little while, at least enough to run on a Friday night in stock form.
Same thing with the 03-04 Cobra's. Guys are into the 10s on the stock rear, running drag radials. Now if you're looking to pull both wheels, launching at 6K on slicks, then it's not gonna hold up.
Lets also not forget about the wheel hop you experience in the stock f-bodys. That's because of the suspsension.
Look at the wheels.... who actually thinks that they will make the new camaro with 21" & 22" wheels and tires??? Most likely they will be 17s or 18s and even those aren't good for drag racing, but that hasn't stopped anyone from hitting the strip on a Friday or Saturday, but they look good at the show and shine and Hooter's car meets, and that's what most people do most of the time with these cars. ****, I haven't hit a strip in over three years. Been there, done that, it was fun, but cost too much when I broke ****.
So to sum it up, the IRS isn't going to stop guys from hitting the strip on a friday night, it will be a marketing item, and set up properly, the cars will fly. Look at how many 10 and 11 second 6-speed manual corvettes there are.
Same thing with the 03-04 Cobra's. Guys are into the 10s on the stock rear, running drag radials. Now if you're looking to pull both wheels, launching at 6K on slicks, then it's not gonna hold up.
Lets also not forget about the wheel hop you experience in the stock f-bodys. That's because of the suspsension.
Look at the wheels.... who actually thinks that they will make the new camaro with 21" & 22" wheels and tires??? Most likely they will be 17s or 18s and even those aren't good for drag racing, but that hasn't stopped anyone from hitting the strip on a Friday or Saturday, but they look good at the show and shine and Hooter's car meets, and that's what most people do most of the time with these cars. ****, I haven't hit a strip in over three years. Been there, done that, it was fun, but cost too much when I broke ****.
So to sum it up, the IRS isn't going to stop guys from hitting the strip on a friday night, it will be a marketing item, and set up properly, the cars will fly. Look at how many 10 and 11 second 6-speed manual corvettes there are.
Originally Posted by Humvee z28
we all wish these things, but ya gotta stop and realize they NEED to sell this car so they have to appeal to the largest spectrum of buyers. IRS rides better and handles better. sure id love to see one of these things come through as a performance version with a heavy duty ls7 clutch, 12 bolt rear end, less sound deadoning carbon fiber hood and fenders to reduce weight, and a ls7 motor... are we dreaming oh hell ya, plus everyone would want that car because it has the most HP. it would just be a bragging right to them. most that are privileged enough to own/afford one most likely wont ever bring it to the strip and that enthusist crowd (us) that the car was intended for wont be able to get it
I say, let them put the IRS in the car if they want, but make a heavy duty rear, like the 12 bolt, AVAILABLE FROM THE FACTORY AS AN OPTION----just like it used to be in the old days. The Camaro has always been known to be a boy-racer, straight line, hot rod car that one could buy for an affordable price....Looks like they might be going away from that. A loaded '02 SS stickered in the $32-33K range, correct? W/GM Family discounting and incentives, I ordered mine for less than $25k and it was loaded--345 hp pkg, leather, SLP wheel options and exhaust, roof panels, the works. Wonder what this thing will cost w/some options?? WJ
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I like it 
I watched the webcast unveiling, it was pretty neat.
It's growing on me, will I buy one???? If it was available 6 months ago I'd have a brand new one in the driveway but seeing how I've got plans for my 73 and a 6 month old baby I might not be able to swing one for at least three years....oh, wait a minute that is when they "might" be available.
Build it !!
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I watched the webcast unveiling, it was pretty neat.
It's growing on me, will I buy one???? If it was available 6 months ago I'd have a brand new one in the driveway but seeing how I've got plans for my 73 and a 6 month old baby I might not be able to swing one for at least three years....oh, wait a minute that is when they "might" be available.
Build it !!
Uncle Marc